Evidence of meeting #18 for Public Safety and National Security in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was c-8.
A recording is available from Parliament.
Bloc
The Vice-Chair Bloc Claude DeBellefeuille
That's great. The motion is in order, as it relates to Bill C‑8.
Are there any comments about the motion that was circulated by Mr. Caputo? Have all committee members received it in both official languages? Is there any discussion?
Mr. Ramsay, the floor is yours.
Liberal
Jacques Ramsay Liberal La Prairie—Atateken, QC
Could Mr. Caputo tell us the reasons for this motion? The minister has already testified on Bill C‑8.
December 4th, 2025 / 12:55 p.m.
Conservative
Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC
The minister hasn't come. The minister was invited. We want to see the Minister of Industry.
Thank you.
Bloc
The Vice-Chair Bloc Claude DeBellefeuille
I would indeed like to clarify that, as far as telecommunications are concerned, the Minister of Industry did not testify on Bill C‑8.
I think that answers your question, Mr. Ramsay.
Is there any further discussion?
Ms. Acan, you have the floor.
Liberal
Sima Acan Liberal Oakville West, ON
I would like to move an amendment to the motion to delete everything after Bill C-8.
Bloc
The Vice-Chair Bloc Claude DeBellefeuille
Okay, you want to move an amendment to Mr. Caputo's motion. Have you circulated it? Has it been discussed? Do you have the text?
Do you want to read your amendment, Ms. Acan?
Liberal
Sima Acan Liberal Oakville West, ON
I can read it. After the amendment, it will read as follows: “That the chair be instructed to invite the Minister of Industry to appear in relation to the study of Bill C-8.”
Bloc
The Vice-Chair Bloc Claude DeBellefeuille
An amendment to the motion has been moved.
Are there any comments or questions on Ms. Acan's amendment to Mr. Caputo's motion?
Since I see none, we'll have a recorded vote on the amendment.
The vote has ended in a tie. Therefore, the chair has to rule. I am against the amendment proposed by Ms. Acan.
(Amendment negatived: nays 5; yeas 4)
Bloc
Claude DeBellefeuille Bloc Beauharnois—Salaberry—Soulanges—Huntingdon, QC
That brings us back to Mr. Caputo's original motion.
Is there any further discussion? If not, we'll go to a vote.
Would you like to comment, Ms. Acan?
Liberal
Sima Acan Liberal Oakville West, ON
Yes. I would like to make another amendment to the motion, if that's possible, Madam Chair.
Bloc
The Vice-Chair Bloc Claude DeBellefeuille
Did I understand correctly that you want to propose another amendment?
Liberal
Sima Acan Liberal Oakville West, ON
I would like to make an amendment to remove everything after Bill C-8, but add the following: “no later than Friday, January 30, 2026.” I want this struck from the motion: “and that a meeting for the consideration of clause-by-clause”, I want to add this: “the meeting following the minister's appearance and that the committee does not proceed to other business until the completion of clause-by-clause.”
Bloc
The Vice-Chair Bloc Claude DeBellefeuille
The amendment has just been moved, but it has not been tabled in both official languages.
Mr. Lloyd, do you want to discuss the amendment?
Conservative
Dane Lloyd Conservative Parkland, AB
Yes, I'd like to speak to the amendment.
We're just hearing about it for the first time, and it seems somewhat complex, so I would like to see it in writing.
Does the amendment, if I heard it right, say that clause-by-clause will not start until after January 30? It gives the minister until January 30 to appear before the committee, after which clause-by-clause will begin. I want to clarify that.
Bloc
The Vice-Chair Bloc Claude DeBellefeuille
I would like to notify you that we have interpretation services until 1:10 p.m. Then we'll have to give the interpreters a 30‑minute break before resuming our work. I wanted to let you know that right now we have seven minutes before we have to break, and then we can move on.
Would you like to comment, Ms. Acan?
Liberal
Sima Acan Liberal Oakville West, ON
Thank you, Madam Chair.
I would like to read it in its entirety, so that it's clear:
That the chair be instructed to invite the Minister of Industry to appear in relation to the study of Bill C-8 no later than Friday, January 30, 2026, and that a meeting for the consideration of clause-by-clause be scheduled the meeting following the minister's appearance and that the committee not proceed to other business until the completion of clause-by-clause.
Bloc
The Vice-Chair Bloc Claude DeBellefeuille
Is that understood by everyone? Is that okay?
Is there any discussion on the amendment?
Mr. Caputo, you have the floor.
Conservative
Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC
To be clear, does that mean we will be in a position, as with Bill C-12, where we are here literally until midnight or longer? Is that the implication?
Bloc
The Vice-Chair Bloc Claude DeBellefeuille
Hold on a minute. Let me remind you that Mr. Caputo is addressing his question to the chair.
Ms. Acan, would you like to answer Mr. Caputo's question?