Evidence of meeting #8 for Public Safety and National Security in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was fentanyl.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Gary Anandasangaree  Minister of Public Safety
Brosseau  Commissioner of Canada’s Fight Against Fentanyl, Privy Council Office
Michael Duheme  Commissioner, Royal Canadian Mounted Police
O'Gorman  President, Canada Border Services Agency

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

Good morning, everyone.

Welcome to meeting number eight of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Public Safety and National Security.

Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and the motion adopted by the committee on September 18, 2025, the committee is meeting as part of its study on Canada-United States border management.

Today's meeting is taking place in a hybrid format. We all know how to follow the instructions, so I will not go over them.

We have with us today the Honourable Gary Anandasangaree, Minister of Public Safety, and the Honourable Ruby Sahota, Secretary of State for Combatting Crime.

We are also fortunate to have three senior officials with us: Erin O'Gorman, president of the Canada Border Services Agency; Kevin Brosseau, commissioner of Canada's fight against fentanyl, from the Privy Council Office; and Michael Duheme, commissioner of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police.

Welcome to all of you.

Minister Anandasangaree, you have the floor for five minutes for your comments.

October 23rd, 2025 / 11:05 a.m.

Scarborough—Guildwood—Rouge Park Ontario

Liberal

Gary Anandasangaree LiberalMinister of Public Safety

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I am pleased to be here today to speak about how we are managing the Canada-United States Border.

Canada shares the longest non-militarized land border in the world with the United States. In many ways, the border defines the relationship between our two countries. I think all of us here can agree that, over our history, our relationship has brought real benefits.

Last year, nearly $3.6 billion worth of trade and about 400,000 people crossed the Canada-U.S. border—every single day.

It also brings challenges. We are constantly having to balance the movement of legitimate trade and travel with measures to keep our border secure. Both countries are dealing with irregular migration, human smuggling, and illegal drug and firearms trafficking. All these are compounded by the involvement of transnational organized criminal groups.

To counter these threats, we have a long history of working closely with the United States each and every day. I recently met with my U.S. counterpart, the Secretary of Homeland Security, Kristi Noem, in the U.K. Canada's Attorney General and I met with U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi over the summer. We have been in constant engagement with other officials, including U.S. border czar Tom Homan and the U.S. Ambassador to Canada, along with many of our officials here.

Public Safety Canada, the CBSA and the RCMP, along with the fentanyl czar, have regular daily interactions with their counterparts in the U.S. This week, the fentanyl czar, the RCMP commissioner and the president of the CBSA travelled to Washington, D.C. to meet with the head of the Drug Enforcement Administration, Terrance Cole, and with the commissioner of U.S. Customs and Border Protection, Rodney Scott. These discussions build on the already strong intelligence and information-sharing work we do with the U.S., and they underscore the importance of this collaboration.

However, there is always more that we can do. That is why the Government of Canada is taking a number of steps to improve the security of our borders.

It starts with our border plan, which is already delivering results. We've increased the resources along the border and are investing in new technologies to improve surveillance and detection.

Southbound irregular migration between Canada and the United States has dropped 99% since last year.

Together with the United States, we launched a North American joint strike force to target transnational organized crime, precursor chemicals and illegal substances, including fentanyl. Here at home, we established a joint operational intelligence cell to strengthen collaboration among agencies and advance investigations into the illicit cross-border movement of fentanyl. Those efforts also reinforce our work with our American counterparts.

We are also training and deploying new border detector dog teams who can sniff out fentanyl. While less than 1% of illegal fentanyl seized in the U.S. is linked to Canada, we know how important it is to get this drug off our streets, whether in Canada or the United States. A safe and secure flow of goods and people across the Canada-U.S. border is critical to North America's economy.

That is why we continue to look for ways to make it easier and faster to cross the border without compromising the integrity of our immigration system. Under the border plan, we have strengthened visa screening and integrity measures. It also provides over $55 million to CBSA to increase the agency's removals capacity. We're seeing results. The agency removed over 18,000 inadmissible people in 2024-25, the highest in a decade and an increase from approximately 16,000 the year before.

Finally, Mr. Chair, as committee members know, our government has introduced Bill C-12, the strengthening Canada's immigration system and borders act. This bill supports efforts to secure our border by tackling organized crime and money laundering and enhancing the integrity and fairness of our immigration system.

This bill provides the authorities needed to take decisive action and protect Canadians.

The measures in the bill also advance shared Canada-U.S. priorities, such as disrupting the cross-border flow of illicit drugs, strengthening law enforcement co-operation and improving information sharing. Given the importance of Bill C-12 to protecting our borders, I urge members of this committee to support its swift passage.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I look forward to the questions.

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

Thank you, Minister.

Ms. Sahota, you have the floor for five minutes.

11:10 a.m.

Brampton North—Caledon Ontario

Liberal

Ruby Sahota LiberalSecretary of State (Combatting Crime)

Thank you.

Good morning.

Mr. Chair and members of the committee, thank you for inviting me to speak today.

I'm pleased to be able to join the Minister of Public Safety to talk about the measures that we're taking to keep the border secure.

My mandate as Secretary of State for Combatting Crime includes working to keep Canadians and their communities safe from serious organized crime, including its role in driving the opioid crisis, gun crime and auto thefts. Given my role, I will focus my remarks today on telling the committee a bit more about the progress we have made in specific areas thanks to multiple initiatives implemented since 2018, including the border plan-related measures announced in December 2024.

Given that border management includes tackling such issues as human smuggling and illegal drug trafficking, border management is of paramount importance to my work.

Finally, we know that transnational organized crime groups are involved in all of those activities.

Their ability to adapt and take advantage of vulnerabilities means we need to be ever vigilant and up to date in the tools that we use to stop them. The government’s $1.3-billion border plan has helped to put in place many new tools that will help keep communities on both sides of the border safe.

This includes enhancing trilateral coordination with Mexican and U.S. counterparts, international partners and law enforcement agencies; designating seven transnational criminal organizations as terrorist entities under the Criminal Code; launching a money-laundering intelligence partnership between Canada’s major banks and law enforcement; deploying new helicopters, drones and mobile surveillance towers; increasing usage of artificial intelligence and adding imaging tools that will further help detect illegal drugs before they enter Canada; deploying new canine teams to intercept illegal drugs to augment the existing 80 detector dog teams located at various ports of entry across Canada; deploying new chemical detection tools at high-risk ports of entry; and accelerating regulatory processes to ban precursor chemicals and expanding lab capacity for synthetic drug analysis so border and law enforcement can take swift action to prevent their illegal importation and use in drug production, while strengthening federal oversight and the monitoring of emerging drug trends.

We are already seeing results. Thanks to the hard work of border services officers, the Canada Border Services Agency seized over 50,000 kilograms of prohibited drugs, cannabis, narcotics and chemicals, and more than 900 firearms just last year. More specifically, the CBSA interdicted over 34,000 kilograms of illegal drugs, including nearly five kilograms of seized fentanyl in 2024.

I would like to point out that 81% of the fentanyl seized in Canada comes from the United States.

I also want to take a moment to highlight some of the positive results achieved in tackling vehicle thefts since the launch of the national action plan on combatting auto theft in May 2024.

Motor vehicle theft saw a significant decline in 2024, with police-reported incidents dropping by 17%. Auto thefts have continued to decline nationally in 2025 also, with a 19% decrease reported in the first half of 2025 compared to the same period last year, according to the latest trend report from Équité Association.

The CBSA intercepted 2,277 stolen vehicles in rail yards and ports in 2024, which is an increase of over 25% compared to the previous year, and has intercepted 1,252 since the beginning of 2025.

These positive outcomes can indeed be attributed in part to the initiatives highlighted in the national action plan and carried in a collaborative manner within the PS portfolio with key government departments and across jurisdictions, including with provincial and international law enforcement partners.

Before I conclude, I want to thank—

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

Secretary of State, you have about 10 more seconds.

Ruby Sahota Liberal Brampton North—Caledon, ON

I have 10 more seconds, so I'd like to call on parliamentarians from all parties to support Bill C-12, the strengthening Canada's immigration system and borders act.

With that, I am very happy to take any questions.

Thank you.

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

Thank you, Secretary of State.

We will start with Mr. Caputo for six minutes.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC

Thank you. We meet again.

I'm going to be directing my questions, Mr. Chair, through you, to Minister Anandasangaree.

Minister, if you don't know the answer, please don't put the question to someone else. I just want to hear directly from you, please.

Minister, how many students does CBSA currently have working for it?

Gary Anandasangaree Liberal Scarborough—Guildwood—Rouge Park, ON

At this point, I can't advise, Mr. Caputo, but I can ask—

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC

It's 839. I'll answer the question for you.

Gary Anandasangaree Liberal Scarborough—Guildwood—Rouge Park, ON

As of today, I'm not so sure you could be that accurate. I would ask the president to maybe offer—

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC

That number came from the union. It was 839 in 2024. I trust the union.

About—

Gary Anandasangaree Liberal Scarborough—Guildwood—Rouge Park, ON

The question you—

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC

This is my time, Minister. I'm asking you questions.

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

I'll ask both of you to make sure you don't overlap in your comments and questions.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC

Minister, it's 18.96% in 2024-25 at Trudeau airport. These are students who are meeting people at the point of entry deciding whether they are letting in a terrorist or deciding whether the person they are letting in has drugs.

Are you okay with a student with three weeks' training, one of which is for use of force, evaluating such important matters at the border?

Gary Anandasangaree Liberal Scarborough—Guildwood—Rouge Park, ON

Mr. Caputo, I have had the opportunity to visit many ports of entry, including airports. I can assure you the role of students is critical to the operation of CBSA. They are trained. They are supervised. They don't work in a high-risk environment. They do very important work. They support, in fact, regular officers who sometimes are on vacation during the summer.

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC

I have no doubt. They are the principal point of contact with people, one in five students. Are you okay with that?

Gary Anandasangaree Liberal Scarborough—Guildwood—Rouge Park, ON

Mr. Caputo, I met with many students throughout the summer. I know they are exceptionally good people who are well trained and well supported. They do not make decisions on high-threat environments. They do their job in a routine manner. At every port of entry there are different levels of expertise to support the work they do.

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC

Thank you, Minister.

How many foreign nationals are awaiting deportation in Canada?

Gary Anandasangaree Liberal Scarborough—Guildwood—Rouge Park, ON

Mr. Caputo, I can get back to you or I can ask Ms. O'Gorman to advise—

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC

Why don't we actually refer to Mr. McCrorie, VP for Canada Border Services Agency? According to Blacklock's, he said that 30,000 foreigners are awaiting deportation. Number one, that number is shocking. More shocking is that you don't know it.

Where are those 30,000 people?

Gary Anandasangaree Liberal Scarborough—Guildwood—Rouge Park, ON

Mr. Caputo, I'm not here for a spelling bee. Let me be very clear.

If your intention here is to micro—

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC

Minister, you're the minister. The buck stops with you, Minister.

An hon. member

Point of order.