Okay.
One of the witnesses in a previous meeting talked about advising departments across the country in science research. Lots of these departments are being forced to top up the scholarship amounts so that the students can survive. They're finding themselves having to spend more and more topping up these graduate student salaries. Now they're being advised to take in fewer graduate students. That was the advice that was given to them by someone who's a researcher in Canada, going around with NSERC, advising the departments.
Perhaps you can comment on that. That's where this is leading us. We are going to have fewer and fewer graduate students, and they're the people who are doing the research.