This is a muscle that has been atrophying for decades. When you look at the history of Canada, during the Second World War the National Research Council emerged. I think a lot of our leading research universities at that time were involved in the war effort, but given the decades of cuts at the Department of Defence, everything being relative, those links have slowly but surely been atrophying. That's not to say there are not researchers working in research, but I think this is something we have to rejuvenate as a country. This is something we have to stimulate.
We now have the framework, the defence industrial strategy, to do so. The idea is to create these new interfaces and these new pathways that don't exist between universities, the defence department and the Government of Canada in general.