Thank you very much, Madam Chair.
Please note of this date, May 25, 2026, because it marks yet another attempt by the Liberal government to shirk its responsibilities.
I speak from experience, because I myself tabled the motion to obtain the information and the list of people who had submitted briefs as part of the consultation for the development of the pan-Canadian artificial intelligence strategy. We even had the minister among us when I moved this motion in February. As if it had been staged, on the very day of his testimony before the committee, his website posted the list I had requested, because he knew we were waiting for that list. Let's remember that, at the time, the government was in a minority, so that's why, of course, the minister had no choice but to comply with the request.
For those listening, the answer is that the government itself had rejected the motion that would have allowed the public to know who had participated in the consultation on what is supposedly the most important strategy in Canadian history: the pan-Canadian artificial intelligence strategy.
In short, we see that the government has said it is important for the public to participate in public consultations when it comes to strategic matters, such as artificial intelligence, but it is not important for the public to know who will be participating. That is what our colleague is telling us today. He is trying to make us believe that everything is available online. However, if it had been accessible online, we wouldn't have asked for it; it's as simple as that.
First, there is no list online of the 11,000 people participating. That is false. I invite our colleague to prove otherwise, and I will be happy to retract my statement if I'm wrong. However, that is not the case at all.
Second, what is most important is not just knowing who participated, but also knowing what was said; we do not know that either. I challenge our colleague to tell us what was said. Is this information truly accessible to taxpayers, Canadians and Quebeckers? The answer is no.
So today, we have a government that wants to develop an artificial intelligence strategy, but that won't tell us who participated in the consultation to influence its decisions and actions, nor what the people who participated actually said. My mother always told me that if something is good, there is no need to hide it, and there is no problem. Yet the government says that Canadians do not need to know that.
Personally, I am concerned, and that is why I am taking the time to clearly explain to those listening closely that there are potential conflicts between the government and international stakeholders, which means there are potential attempts at foreign interference through such strategies, particularly the pan-Canadian artificial intelligence strategy. This is not something I just woke up one morning and thought of. It has been reported repeatedly in the media, which tells us there is indeed a risk of people infiltrating our systems. Here, we have an opaque process and a government that refuses to make public the content of the consultations or the list of participants.
I am increasingly concerned about this kind of process. It took a member of a parliamentary committee—myself, in this case—to ask the government, through a motion, to tell us who participated in this consultation and what the participants said.
Today, the government is telling us to trust it, but it won't tell us what was said, and it won't let us know who said those things. I still find it quite unbelievable that a government that claims to be accountable would not share this crucial information—namely, who participated in the consultation, what the participants said and, subsequently, what the government took away from it.
In my view, it is about transparency, especially in a democratic system. Democracy does not really mean much anymore to the current Liberal government. It was this government that, for the first time in history, created a majority in the middle of a parliament. I would like to take a moment to explain to our listeners that, following the general election on April 28, 2025, it was a minority Parliament, but the government managed to convince members of other parties to join its team. That allowed the government to secure a majority Parliament.
In reality, this is undemocratic, because it does not respect the will of the people. The government says it respects traditions. From what I understand, in Canada, there is a tradition: elections. The election determines whether the government forms a minority or a majority Parliament, and which party will be in power. Here, the government is ignoring that. It tells us that the rules and practices of the House allow for a majority Parliament. However, this is still not insignificant. It has never happened in over 150 years. Never has a government secured a majority through defections. It is truly incredible. So, I think people need to remember this, because it is no ordinary anti-democratic act.
I will give you several examples. Today, there is another anti-democratic move here in the committee: We are being denied access to data. I find the ploy quite clever: The government is telling us it will cost us too much. In Canada, it costs too much to know the truth.
I like numbers, so I did some calculations for my colleagues. In the latest budget from the Prime Minister, who is a financial expert, the deficit stands at $78 billion. That's not insignificant either. It's the largest deficit in history. We are breaking records, but they are not good ones. So, we have a record deficit of $78 billion. Our colleague gives us his main, rock-solid argument to convince people: It costs too much to know the truth. So, I calculated the amount our colleague is talking about. Projected spending in the Canadian federal budget for fiscal year 2025–26 totals $586 billion. Out of that, we would take $1 million; that's the hypothetical amount our colleague heard behind the scenes, while having coffee and chatting with people from cabinet and the translation bureau. So, how much is that, $1 million out of $586 billion? It's 0.00017%. I'll repeat that for those listening: it's 0.00017%. That would be too much, according to our colleague and his government team, who tell us that people will not pay $1 million. That $1 million sounds like a lot, but we have to consider the proportion it represents, as I just did.
This amount will allow us to find out the truth. Are there people trying to advance their own interests? We don't know. We cannot even do our jobs because we do not have access to the data. Imagine that: Parliamentarians, members of Parliament elected by the people, cannot know who participated in a public consultation requested by the government. You cannot call it a public consultation if the data is not public. I would rather call it a public relations stunt to manipulate public opinion and the public. Once again, I cannot believe our colleague is telling us it will cost us too much.
Here in Quebec, our motto is Je me souviens—I remember. So, I remember that, recently, our colleague pulled the same stunt here, at the Standing Committee on Science and Research, during another of my attempts to gain access to data—specifically, data from funding agencies regarding accepted and rejected funding applications. Always with good intentions, I wanted to analyze potential imbalances in research funding in Canada. Our colleague told us that accessing the data would be too expensive. He told us that it would be too expensive to find out whether we could analyze data related to public funds allocated for scientific projects. It's the same ploy and the same mechanism.
For the government, the truth comes at too high a cost. I wish people would understand what is happening right now; in my opinion, it's something catastrophic, unhealthy, toxic and completely unacceptable in today's democratic system. As I said, I'm disappointed, but I'm not surprised. If a government is capable of rigging a majority, what would it be willing to do next?
It reminds me of the importance of science, which is supposedly on the lips of my colleagues in government. I'll give another example: When the chief science adviser testified here last November, she expressed deep concern about projects of national importance to the government, that is to say projects of national interest. We can draw a parallel. The government tells us that it's important to address what could be the worst tariff crisis in Canadian history and that it must take the lead in prioritizing certain projects. Who decides which projects these are? How will that be decided? For the government, these are not important questions. What matters to them is that there are projects. If the projects are good, they should be able to demonstrate that.
Let me repeat what the chief science adviser said: She was not consulted on these projects. It's rather ironic that someone is hired to develop expertise, but when it comes time to make decisions, they don't consult her. Personally, I think it's a shame for her, but I think it's especially a shame for taxpayers. What's the point of paying people if, in the end, we don't listen to them? I obviously believe in science as such, not just in public relations and press conferences connected to it.
I think this has shown us that the government is talking out of both sides of its mouth. It has shown us this on several occasions. I'm going to give many examples, since my approach is very fact-based.
Another thing the chief scientist told us back in November—