Evidence of meeting #2 for Subcommittee on Agenda and Procedure in the 42nd Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was meeting.
A recording is available from Parliament.
Liberal
Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON
Can we go back to meeting three, though? Do we need an hour with the Department of Finance? I keep going back to that.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Marilyn Gladu
I don't know. I think the topic was gender-responsive funding, and I believe Ms. Malcolmson can comment on what we want to know from them.
Conservative
Committee Researcher
The reason I added them was that we could speak to them on gender-responsive budgeting, which is an initiative that has not been fully implemented in Canada but has been mentioned at the international level as a best practice in gender-based analysis. You conduct a gender-based analysis of the budget and the outcome of the budget—how the budget will impact women and men differently. As for whether or not they need an hour, that's up to you to decide. But that is the reason behind having them.
Liberal
Karen Ludwig Liberal New Brunswick Southwest, NB
At that meeting, it was the Privy Council, the Treasury Board, and Finance as one hour. Correct?
Liberal
Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON
This is a two-hour meeting. We cut this one off, and we said we were going to give one hour to Privy Council and Treasury Board.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Marilyn Gladu
I'm just questioning now if we need the whole full hour for Finance? What do you think?
NDP
Sheila Malcolmson NDP Nanaimo—Ladysmith, BC
Maybe we can rely a little on the analysts for this. My understanding is that Finance, at budget development level, is one of the agencies that's interpreting this tool. Is that...?
Committee Researcher
Do you mean they're applying it? I don't know if there's a lot of evidence of them applying it on a widespread level in the pre-budget consultations. That could be something you ask them about to get confirmation.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Marilyn Gladu
We could also keep it as a bit of contingency because if we look, we have five meetings out of the six, and hopefully everybody's available. That gives us a bit of contingency to move things around.
NDP
Sheila Malcolmson NDP Nanaimo—Ladysmith, BC
Sorry, I got distracted. What was the bundle that we're at?
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Marilyn Gladu
We're at five meetings. Meeting A is a meeting, and meeting B is a meeting divided into two parts. The Auditor General is there for the whole time, but Employment and Social Development, and Indigenous and Northern Affairs are coupled for an hour. Innovation, Science and Economic Development, and Natural Resources are coupled for an hour, so they get five minutes to speak.
Meeting three is a meeting that has an hour of Privy Council and Treasury Board, and an hour of the Department of Finance. I'm not sure if we need an hour, but we're thinking, okay.
Meeting four becomes an hour of Public Works and Government Services with StatsCan, and an hour of academics and experts, and the former chair Kathleen Lahey. If we can find somebody from the Carleton Centre for Women in Politics and Public Leadership, if they're a GBA expert, that will be the fourth meeting.
The fifth meeting would be the other jurisdictions, where we bring in the Province of Quebec witnesses, potentially the Government of New Zealand, and if you decide there's somebody extra you want to bring in, that's a different jurisdiction that's implemented GBA, that would be the other meeting.
Ms. Ludwig.
Liberal
Karen Ludwig Liberal New Brunswick Southwest, NB
Okay. For academic and experts, Laura weren't you suggesting moving StatsCan to that area?
Committee Researcher
For Statistics Canada, because they're part of government, I would suggest keeping them in the briefings as opposed to that. Another option could be that, under meeting number three, the second panel would be Department of Finance, Public Works, and StatsCan, so you'd have three. Then with academics and experts, since you have three recommended, you could have a whole two-hour meeting for them. That could be another option.
Liberal
Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON
I think I like that better. That's just me, though. What do you...?
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Marilyn Gladu
I like it better, too. Then your meeting three becomes an hour of Privy Council and Treasury Board, and an hour of Department of Finance, Public Works, and StatsCan. Then the next meeting—
NDP
Sheila Malcolmson NDP Nanaimo—Ladysmith, BC
Sorry, I would like to focus on Public.... Sorry, no, that was Immigration.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Marilyn Gladu
Okay, you're good with that? All right.
Meeting four would be a two-hour meeting of academics and experts.
The last meeting would be a two-hour meeting of other jurisdictions.
That leaves you with an available meeting in case you have to move people around timing-wise. Also if you decide you want to recall something, or if something comes up that's a topic where we think we need a bit more time with these people because we didn't get enough time, or the fire alarm goes off, for example, then I think that's a great plan.
What do you guys think?
NDP
Sheila Malcolmson NDP Nanaimo—Ladysmith, BC
I'm sorry, meeting four with academics and experts looks like what was meeting five before, except we only have one person that's a former chair. Can we also do those as two panels, or does it make more sense to keep them all as one? Two of them are academic, and one of them is a former panellist. Were they invited to be part of the panel on the basis of their academic experience? Okay, so they are all academic.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Marilyn Gladu
They're experts. Some of them are in academia and some of them are just experts.
I'm going by what everybody's telling me here.