Evidence of meeting #2 for Subcommittee on Agenda and Procedure in the 42nd Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was meeting.
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Conservative
The Chair Conservative Marilyn Gladu
Would you make the fifth and sixth meetings one meeting of academics, experts, and people who are experienced in these organizations?
Liberal
Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON
I think we could, because there are few that we could just cross right off.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Marilyn Gladu
Right, and from there, let's say that you're going to get one of these former chairs, maybe Kathleen Lahey, and then from this group of panel one, pick two or three of those.
What is the Manning Centre here for?
Liberal
Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON
We would take that off. I don't see what that adds to a gender—
NDP
Sheila Malcolmson NDP Nanaimo—Ladysmith, BC
My bias is very much to keep this focus on a government application of a tool that's recognized. If we can identify experts who have worked on this tool or who could give us some outside perspective.... I really want to keep narrowly focused.
Conservative
NDP
Sheila Malcolmson NDP Nanaimo—Ladysmith, BC
Not unless someone can say they are experts on the GBA tool that would be applied here. There are a lot of areas of the committee's work where I would love to hear from NGOs, but this isn't one of them. I think we could raise hopes and expectations that have an impossibility of being applied at the federal level.
NDP
Sheila Malcolmson NDP Nanaimo—Ladysmith, BC
They're about electing women. Some of these are great groups, but they're not going to give us advice about the federal application of a tool to these ministries.
Liberal
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Marilyn Gladu
I thought you said there was someone at Carleton who is an expert.
Liberal
Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON
There is, but it's not them. When we were looking at Carleton, it was actually Anita who said that there's a centre for women in politics and public leadership at Carleton that she's familiar with, but this is not about political management. To me, that doesn't fit with GBA
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Marilyn Gladu
Okay. If we could figure out who that individual would be, then we would have this panel of the former chair, Kathleen Lahey, and somebody from the Carleton centre for women in politics.
Liberal
Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON
Maybe combining it even more, I just met Shannon MacDonald from Deloitte. They are doing inclusion in their company and have been fairly successful at including women and people with disabilities. That's what her role is in the company. She also is on a provincial panel. Do we want to take someone like that, where the company has been successful in promoting women?
NDP
Sheila Malcolmson NDP Nanaimo—Ladysmith, BC
It's not about promoting women. This is about applying a tool to ministry decisions.
I would suggest that we hang on to that name for other areas of our work, which is certainly going to apply, but I do think, with respect, that if we stay yes to this NGO or this business, then other committee members would very reasonably ask, “Well, what about our recommendations?” If we are going to achieve this on a short timeline, I'd like to keep really focused on our terms of reference.
Conservative
Liberal
Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON
From the other jurisdictions, I don't know these groups. Brampton Hospital apparently has done good work. Ruby Sahota did not submit their name.
Sheila, we saw some people speak in New York. I believe it was Charles from New Zealand who spoke about how they applied GBA in New Zealand and were successful. Am I imagining that?