I would point to the graph on the first page of our presentation where we actually present the poverty rates using the before-tax low-income poverty number, which is the one we use. What the department people have probably told you is the after-tax poverty number. If you look at that, it's 12.8%. But in both cases, the rate has been stalled since about 2001.
Our concern is about why the poverty rate has stalled--and I would say at an unacceptably high level--in a time of strong economic growth. It has never gone down below the rate of 1989, despite our continued economic growth. Clearly, economic growth is not solving the problem.