Evidence of meeting #9 for Status of Women in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was finance.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Debbie Budlender  Specialist Researcher, Community Agency for Social Enquiry
Clare Beckton  Coordinator, Office of the Coordinator, Status of Women Canada
Nancy Peckford  Program Director, Canadian Feminist Alliance for International Action
Hélène Dwyer-Renaud  Director, Gender-Based Analysis and Accountability Directorate and Research Directorate, Status of Women Canada

5:10 p.m.

Program Director, Canadian Feminist Alliance for International Action

Nancy Peckford

In my presentation, I did allude to the fact there are very limited consultations with women's organizations. In fact, there is no formal consultation with women's organizations. In addition, it's been very difficult to obtain the gender-based analyses of previous federal budgets, including 2005, 2006, 2007. As a consequence, we've been forced to file access to information requests. But the committee has heard that.

Public reporting of some sort from the finance department is absolutely essential.

5:10 p.m.

Liberal

Anita Neville Liberal Winnipeg South Centre, MB

Thank you.

5:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Yasmin Ratansi

Ms. Minna.

5:15 p.m.

Liberal

Maria Minna Liberal Beaches—East York, ON

Both questions are to Ms. Beckton, and to anyone else who wants to answer.

The first one is this. The secretariat, in its response to the Commonwealth Secretariat, has proposed that “departments be required to report on programming that relates to gender equality objectives, but approval for this proposal is still in progress”. Could you give us an update on that and what's holding that up?

And the other is, if we were to do a gender-based analysis or gender budgeting on tax structures, HRSD, and tax expenditures as a way to start to lay a base, what would that entail in terms of amount of time and money and resources?

The first question is to Ms. Beckton, with respect to the secretariat.

5:15 p.m.

Coordinator, Office of the Coordinator, Status of Women Canada

Clare Beckton

Hélène will answer that one.

5:15 p.m.

Director, Gender-Based Analysis and Accountability Directorate and Research Directorate, Status of Women Canada

Hélène Dwyer-Renaud

This is the Department of Finance response, right, to the Commonwealth questionnaire?

5:15 p.m.

Liberal

Maria Minna Liberal Beaches—East York, ON

That's right, to the Commonwealth, yes.

5:15 p.m.

Director, Gender-Based Analysis and Accountability Directorate and Research Directorate, Status of Women Canada

Hélène Dwyer-Renaud

I believe they're referring--although it would be a good idea to hear it from the Department of Finance--to the fact that they are doing this for the first time in the last two years, so lots of it is still in progress, lots of it is still innovative, which is why it hasn't been done.

5:15 p.m.

Liberal

Maria Minna Liberal Beaches—East York, ON

Sorry, but your secretariat has proposed that the departments, all of them, “be required to report on programming that relates to gender equality objectives, but approval for this proposal is still in progress”. I was wondering if you know what's holding this up.

5:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Yasmin Ratansi

To be fair to everybody, can I ask you to respond to that in your summation, because I have to go to the next round.

5:15 p.m.

Liberal

Maria Minna Liberal Beaches—East York, ON

Okay, fair enough. Thank you, Madam Chair.

5:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Yasmin Ratansi

Ms. Grewal, for five minutes.

5:15 p.m.

Conservative

Nina Grewal Conservative Fleetwood—Port Kells, BC

Thank you, Madam Chair.

My question goes to Ms. Peckford. I was reading the analysis of this year's federal budget by your organization, the Canadian Feminist Alliance for International Action, so I must admit my surprise that you even criticized the programs and policies that appear to be beneficial to women or that are, at least, gender neutral. I'm left to conclude from this report that any spending program that does not put money directly into the hands of women is a bad program.

Is this what we can expect from gender budgeting?

5:15 p.m.

Program Director, Canadian Feminist Alliance for International Action

Nancy Peckford

Clearly, in the absence of any gender-directed spending outside of Status of Women Canada, what we have recognized over the years from federal budgets is that rarely do they speak to women's interests and women's realities. We were particularly struck in this 2007 federal budget by the use of tax credits as a way to deliver income supports. It's not our view that in every instance that's the best way to support women's needs and realities and those of their families. In addition, because we had no evidence that a gender-based analysis was done of the 2007 federal budget, it was very difficult for us to understand the logic of some of the measures that were undertaken.

I think gender budgeting is a rigorous process. I think that civil society organizations will have opinions and perspectives on how best to meet the needs of women. We have been highly critical of many budgets over the years, in part because there simply is no framework to deal specifically and systematically with women's equality interests. In the absence of that, we are often left at a loss. I would also say that if there's no meaningful dialogue with the Minister of Finance or his senior officials, it's very difficult for us to be in a position to have a positive influence over budgets. So we're often left commenting on budgets that, in our view, don't deliver.

So I would recommend that if you want this to be a more deliberative, collaborative process, it should involve some dialogue between governments and civil society organizations such as ours. To date, that really has not happened. I think that's part of the process.

5:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Yasmin Ratansi

We have one and a half minutes left, if you wish to speak.

5:15 p.m.

Conservative

Bruce Stanton Conservative Simcoe North, ON

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Continuing along with Madam Peckford, if I could, in your presentation you inferred that the GBA unit in the Department of Finance didn't seem to be working well—and actually, not just the one in the Department of Finance, but those in other units as well. Did you more or less reach that conclusion based on the fact that you didn't see the budget bringing forth programs it should? I was wondering what information you had that suggested that the GBA, gender-based analysis, in all the departments was somewhat dysfunctional, in your view.

5:20 p.m.

Program Director, Canadian Feminist Alliance for International Action

Nancy Peckford

There was a very comprehensive study by this committee during the last session of Parliament, chaired by Anita Neville, about the deficiencies of gender-based analysis within various departments.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Bruce Stanton Conservative Simcoe North, ON

Just to make a correction, you meant in the last Parliament?

5:20 p.m.

Program Director, Canadian Feminist Alliance for International Action

Nancy Peckford

Sorry, what did I say?

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Bruce Stanton Conservative Simcoe North, ON

In the last session of Parliament.

5:20 p.m.

Program Director, Canadian Feminist Alliance for International Action

Nancy Peckford

I'm sorry, in the last Parliament. Thank you very much. I appreciate that clarification.

So I think we all recognize—and I'd be happy if Ms. Beckton spoke to this as well—that GBA has not been systematically implemented in any department, or in most departments, and that there have been ebbs and flows in terms of the calibre and integration of that analysis. I don't believe there's a GBA unit in the finance department right now. What we have is a gender champion, and that is progress. What we have now is a tax policy unit doing some amount of gender-based analysis, and that certainly is progress. But that isn't sufficient, in our view, to produce an equitable federal budget.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Bruce Stanton Conservative Simcoe North, ON

Do I have more time, Madam Chair?

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Yasmin Ratansi

If you don't mind, you have 20 seconds.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Bruce Stanton Conservative Simcoe North, ON

Of course I don't mind.

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Yasmin Ratansi

Okay, thank you.

Madame Demers, are you sharing your time?