I think we should all be looking at that and considering other methods of improving the predicament of these people.
In terms of this discussion about the rich and the poor, of course I'm well aware of some people who don't worry about a pension plan or their RRSP. They have money; they'll make it anyway. I think we want this thing to be all-inclusive.
The thing we have to remember in all this is that it's very important for us to institute a system that gives people the feeling of self-sufficiency, and stability, and self-reliance. When that happens.... I've heard figures on what the value of volunteerism is in our society. I've been a volunteer all my life; it's kind of in my blood. It's why I'm here today. I mean, I could be doing other things. I think you'll find the people who are able to volunteer in this respect are people who already have the comfort of financial security.
I don't know, it's trillions of dollars that we're getting out of the voluntary sector, and they don't get tax breaks on that. You have to ask, who are these people? Can the person who's worrying about the next meal be a volunteer? Well, some of them are, and they volunteer at hospitals and so on, but I think that generally it's people who already have the comfort of stability in their income.
The other thing that is being debated as we are sitting here at this table is longevity. There are predictions now that people are going to live to 200 years. So don't try to look too far ahead, but I think we're going to have a different system where people are going to take sabbaticals, they're going to go back to work. In some respects, I work harder now than I ever did in my life, but I'm doing it at my pace and on my terms.