The best case to give you an example of how.... It's not just equal work for equal work. It's equal value.
For instance, the most famous case is how we value zookeepers, who take care of animals, compared to women, who take care of children. The zookeepers have been found to be making about 30% more than what the day care women are making. In the Bell pay equity case, for instance, the operators, especially the 911 operators who work under so much stress, were not being compensated, for instance, to a person who puts up poles in the woods and sets up some of the telephone lines. It's about looking at what we do that is different and comparing the value of it.
It's pretty disheartening that we're still not able to grasp this. Pay equity is very complicated. I don't pretend to know everything about pay equity and how we come to it, but there's something very wrong when you have a zookeeper making a lot more money than a day care worker in charge of our children, maybe one of our future leaders. It's very disheartening.