Evidence of meeting #12 for Status of Women in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was older.

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Vanessa Bevilacqua  Adviser, Advocacy, Réseau FADOQ
Bonnie Brayton  National Executive Director, DisAbled Women's Network of Canada

3:30 p.m.

NDP

The Chair NDP Irene Mathyssen

I wish to begin the meeting.

I'd like to welcome our former chair, Ms. Hedy Fry. Your addition here today is most welcome. Your expertise is very much appreciated.

Our first witness, Ms. Brayton, is expected to arrive in Ottawa by train at about 3 o'clock. She may be a bit late, and she is on a very tight timeframe.

In the meantime, I'd like to welcome Madam Vanessa Bevilacqua, who is a policy adviser for FADOQ.

Thank you very much for being here. You have 10 minutes for your presentation. We look forward to what you have to tell the committee.

3:30 p.m.

Vanessa Bevilacqua Adviser, Advocacy, Réseau FADOQ

Thank you.

I will begin with an overview of the organization I represent. Then, I will discuss the topic at hand.

The FADOQ network is composed of affiliated organizations. It aims to bring together people 50 years of age and over and represent them in various forums to ensure recognition of their rights and needs. Its mission is also to promote the participation of seniors in society by organizing activities and programs for people 50 years of age and over. The network currently has 265,000 members, making it the largest organization representing people 50 years of age and over in Quebec.

In the next few minutes, I will focus my remarks on three main issues: the economic vulnerability of older women that makes them more likely to suffer abuse; inconsistencies in the health care system that place them in a situation bordering on negligence; and dignity and respect for older women.

Let's first talk about the economic gap between older men and women. Because of today's socio-economic circumstances, women over the age of 65 have benefited the least from policies aimed at equality between women and men in the labour market. The vast majority of these women remained at home for years to raise their children, as was the norm at the time. Those who entered the labour market did so towards the end of their working lives and held typically female, low-paying jobs. When advancements were first being made in the workforce, many women in this age group were already at the end of what would have been considered their working life. Moreover, many of them did not have the time to make sufficient gains in terms of personal savings or contributions to the Quebec Pension Plan/Canada Pension Plan to ensure a comfortable retirement.

3:30 p.m.

NDP

The Chair NDP Irene Mathyssen

Ms. Bevilacqua, the interpreter is having a bit of difficulty keeping up with you. Could you slow down just a bit?

3:30 p.m.

Adviser, Advocacy, Réseau FADOQ

3:30 p.m.

NDP

The Chair NDP Irene Mathyssen

Thank you.

3:30 p.m.

Adviser, Advocacy, Réseau FADOQ

Vanessa Bevilacqua

Do you have my text in English?

3:30 p.m.

NDP

The Chair NDP Irene Mathyssen

We'll make sure the committee receives the text.

3:30 p.m.

Adviser, Advocacy, Réseau FADOQ

Vanessa Bevilacqua

Okay. I thought that if everyone had my text, I could go faster, but I'll slow down.

3:30 p.m.

NDP

The Chair NDP Irene Mathyssen

Go ahead.

3:30 p.m.

Adviser, Advocacy, Réseau FADOQ

Vanessa Bevilacqua

The figures clearly show a huge economic gap between men and women over the age of 65. In 2008, women aged 65 and over had an average annual income of $20,495, while older men had an income of around $28,775. The gap between the incomes of men and women reflects the economic difficulties experienced by women over 65. However, the source of this income is also worth analyzing.

Men receive more income from sources related to work and personal savings, such as benefits under the Quebec Pension Plan/Canada Pension Plan and RRSPs, while women mostly depend on public plans, such as the Old Age Security program and the Guaranteed Income Supplement.

However, relying on a government benefit is far from ideal because it requires seniors to be dependent on policy and live in uncertainty. The women most affected by poverty, and therefore abuse, are single women who live alone or are widows.

They must meet all the day-to-day expenses themselves. Those expenses are constantly increasing, while their incomes are fixed and dependent on the poorly indexed Old Age Security and Guaranteed Income Supplement. The Guaranteed Income Supplement is a federal benefit for seniors most in need. Many beneficiaries of this program are single women. Yet, in many ways the program does not take seniors' needs into account.

In fact, it is estimated that about 40,000 people in Quebec who would normally be eligible for the Guaranteed Income Supplement do not receive it simply because they must take steps and enrol in the program. Enrolment in the program is actually not automatic. However, most people who should be receiving that supplement are women with a limited education. They do not take the necessary steps to apply for this benefit to which they are entitled.

The poverty caused by this economic insecurity makes older women vulnerable. When their resources are limited, they choose to go without their medication or a balanced diet in order to pay the rent and bills. They also choose to cut out any outings or social activities to save money. That puts them in a cycle where sickness and isolation only make their already difficult living conditions even worse.

Automatic enrolment for the Guaranteed Income Supplement would allow everyone to receive the benefits to which they are entitled. The Canadian government has all the necessary information on the income and marital status of seniors, thanks to tax returns, and on their comings and goings in and out of Canada and years of residence in Canada, thanks to immigration and border services, to make enrolment automatic. Better coordination of services and greater cooperation between the provincial and federal governments will be needed for automatic enrolment.

Our universal health care system is an achievement we can be proud of. Its underlying principle of universality is the cornerstone of an inclusive health care policy. However, in recent years, the erosion of the system has been threatening its very existence. Administrative gaps, organizational problems and major shortcomings in the accountability of managers and professionals themselves undermine public confidence in the health care system. The first victims of our sick health care system are women.

I will now talk about the situation of family caregivers. Family caregivers are people who take care of a relative who may be sick. Their situation in Quebec and Canada is especially complicated, as there are very few programs to assist them. Actually, 90% of family caregivers are women. It is estimated that, in Quebec alone, they enable the government to save $5 billion annually in health care costs.

In addition to taking care of their loved ones, those women must also hold down a job, raise their own children and assume other family responsibilities. That means family caregivers often have to miss work, and that can have a negative impact on their pay and opportunities for advancement. That undermines the financial situation of some women and further increases their vulnerability.

Because of a lack of resources available to allow them to take a break, for instance, by entrusting their relatives for a few hours or a few days to a person employed by the health care system, these women demand a lot of themselves, both physically and psychologically. The issue of family caregivers is a typically female one that deserves special and urgent attention by the government.

Currently, the only practical help for those women is the compassionate care benefit under the employment insurance program. Employment insurance compassionate care benefits are paid to individuals who must temporarily take time off from work to care for a family member suffering from a serious illness that may cause his or her death in the next 26 weeks, or 6 months. However, a family caregiver is much more than someone who takes care of a loved one in their final days. Family caregivers can spend years taking care of a person suffering from a loss of independence or a chronic illness.

Given our aging population, we must come up with an employment insurance program that supports these women in need—both financially and emotionally—throughout the process. Otherwise, they find themselves isolated. Their having to stop work entirely severely jeopardizes their future and prevents them from saving for their own old age.

Currently in Quebec, those who are 65 years of age and over and who do not receive the Guaranteed Income Supplement must pay a monthly deductible of up to $80.25 for their medication. Those who receive between 1% and 93% of the maximum Guaranteed Income Supplement pay almost $50, and those who receive 94% or more of the supplement pay no deductible for their drugs.

A simple calculation points out some inconsistencies. On the one hand, a woman who is 65 or over, lives alone and has an annual income of $14,775 must pay up to $600 a year for her medication because she receives less than 94% of the Guaranteed Income Supplement. On the other hand, a woman of the same age with an annual income of $14,768 pays $0 a year for her medication because she receives a supplement of over 94% of the maximum amount. For a difference in income of less than $7 a year, an elderly woman is penalized by $600 a year, based on the income categories established by the Régie de l'assurance maladie du Québec and the Government of Canada.

When older people complain to the provincial organization or the Guaranteed Income Supplement service, they are forever being sent back and forth between the two organizations. No one wants to take responsibility, so seniors' requests are never taken into account. Meanwhile, older people, and especially women—who, as we know, use more medication because they live longer—suffer the effects of poor communication between the two levels of government.

Can you tell me how much time I have left?

3:40 p.m.

NDP

The Chair NDP Irene Mathyssen

You have about half a minute.

3:40 p.m.

Adviser, Advocacy, Réseau FADOQ

Vanessa Bevilacqua

Okay. I will wrap up my presentation with the part on sexual assault.

Sexual assaults against women of all ages undermine the physical and psychological integrity of the victims. The Government of Quebec and the Government of Canada have taken several measures in an attempt to improve things. The federal program New Horizons for Seniors is an excellent initiative that enables community organizations to help elderly women who are victims of abuse. We also participated in the National Initiative for the Care of the Elderly, whose goal is to improve older women's financial literacy. Status of Women Canada is one of the organizations that provide funding for that initiative.

In closing, I want to emphasize the importance of being aware of the potential abuse and fraud involving elderly women. A number of tools are available for that purpose.

If you have any questions about this, I could discuss it further.

3:40 p.m.

NDP

The Chair NDP Irene Mathyssen

Thank you very much.

We are still waiting for our second witness, but in regard to time, I would like to get started.

We'll start with the government caucus, with Ms. Young, please.

November 24th, 2011 / 3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Wai Young Conservative Vancouver South, BC

Thank you so much for that really comprehensive presentation. I think you've included some really interesting information, so if you don't mind, I'm going to ask a few questions about it.

Starting with talking about abuse, you say, “Often this type of assault”--you're talking about sexual assault--“is combined with another form of abuse such as neglect and physical, psychological and financial abuse”. You're quite comprehensive in your listing.

Can you tell us what are the major forms of abuse, like in priority...? I mean, it's horrible to say, but what is the most to the least...?

3:45 p.m.

Adviser, Advocacy, Réseau FADOQ

Vanessa Bevilacqua

Actually, it all depends on the context. Let's look at elderly women, for instance. It depends on whether they live alone in their home or in a retirement home surrounded by many people.

When people live alone in their home and have few family members close by, they are very likely to be victims of neglect. Those people don't necessarily always take care of themselves. Health and social services are unable to help all those in need of assistance.

Those isolated people are also often victims of financial abuse, such as telemarketing or door-to-door sales schemes. Since they are alone and have few people to talk to, they tend to open up and trust people more quickly. They may invite people to come in or may talk to them on the phone. They may also provide personal information they would normally not share.

If we are talking about people living in a retirement home....

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Wai Young Conservative Vancouver South, BC

We've heard from other witnesses on this whole area, so in the interests of time, because I have only seven minutes, I'm just going to be a bit more directive.

We also know, because we've heard from many witnesses over many days, that with respect to issues and the different kinds of abuse that go on, there are obviously differences between women who are isolated and live at home and women who live in institutions. So let us talk a little bit about the women who are isolated and live at home, because it would appear that, because they're isolated and living at home, there are possibly fewer people overseeing their care.

In your brief, you have noted that several things are critical. For one thing, you say that family caregivers and having some support for them is a good thing. Would you say that this government's family caregiver tax credit is a good thing?

3:45 p.m.

Adviser, Advocacy, Réseau FADOQ

Vanessa Bevilacqua

It's a good thing in principle. However, most women we help have such a low income that they don't pay any taxes anyway. So, a tax credit changes nothing for them. Therefore, it's not a good measure.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Wai Young Conservative Vancouver South, BC

For example, my own mother is 78 years old, so if I had to take time off work to take her to her numerous doctor appointments and all those sorts of things, or if she actually was in the hospital for a while because she had cancer and so on, that would be something I could claim, because I'm a working person, right?

3:45 p.m.

Adviser, Advocacy, Réseau FADOQ

Vanessa Bevilacqua

Yes, but if your mother was chronically ill and you were taking care of her full time, you would not be in the labour market. You would be entitled to a last-resort type of assistance, such as social assistance. Therefore, you would not be paying taxes anyway.

Do you understand what I am trying to say?

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Wai Young Conservative Vancouver South, BC

I understand, but there are a lot of working women as well, and there are family incomes where that might be helpful.

3:45 p.m.

Adviser, Advocacy, Réseau FADOQ

Vanessa Bevilacqua

What I'm saying is that, in the real world, family caregivers have such a low income and pay so little in taxes that, for them, a tax credit is not a useful tool. When a person's income is $30,000 a year, the small tax credit that's calculated based on the taxation of that modest income is insufficient. It's irrelevant.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Wai Young Conservative Vancouver South, BC

But you do say here that the unemployment support is there as well. There are 26 weeks and six months and a number of other features that do support caregivers. Right?

3:45 p.m.

Adviser, Advocacy, Réseau FADOQ

Vanessa Bevilacqua

Yes, there are a few of them.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Wai Young Conservative Vancouver South, BC

I also wanted to ask you about the new horizons for seniors program, which you have in here as well. You say that there are a couple of pan-Canadian projects that support the provincial elder abuse programs and they are two excellent initiatives. Can you describe a little bit your knowledge of or experience with these two excellent initiatives and how they were excellent?

3:45 p.m.

Adviser, Advocacy, Réseau FADOQ

Vanessa Bevilacqua

Actually, the Government of Quebec recently mounted a campaign that is in line with the elder abuse prevention plan.

A telephone line was set up for referral purposes. Any senior in Quebec can call a single number if they feel they have been the victim of abuse. Their call is immediately transferred to the health and social services centre in their area. And right away, they come under the care of a social worker.

Last year, the Government of Canada also conducted a big media campaign for the prevention of elder abuse.

Obviously, it is an excellent initiative. Sometimes, elderly people have been abused for so long or do not even realize that what has been happening to them is abuse, so they do not report it. Seeing it on TV or hearing about it on the radio helps them realize what is happening.

The telephone line I am referring to is called the Elder Abuse Help Line. Last year, three times more calls came in than expected. So there is no doubt that these are excellent tools.

The new horizons for seniors program is a Canada-wide initiative that aims to prevent elder abuse. The funding for our senior aware program comes through new horizons for seniors. By the way, I brought some pamphlets that I could hand out later, if you are interested. Senior aware helps us educate seniors. In fact, we tell them what constitutes abuse. We also give them the necessary tools and resources if they feel that they, themselves, a neighbour or a friend is suffering from abuse.