It has a lot to do with that culture. In having a round table with some males in the RCMP and asking the question about where they were when some of these other activities were going on with their female colleagues, the attitudes and the responses back were, “Well, we know it's going on, but we just turn a blind eye because otherwise we'll become labelled in the same way.”
It's just quite unbelievable when you're looking at men who are a fair size, who shouldn't be intimidated easily, and who just turn a blind eye. This goes back to your comment. It has to become unacceptable for absolutely anybody, whether you're a caretaker or a top commissioner, if you hear or see any of this going on. It's encouraging to know that the law society has taken some action.
We communicate to all of the people who work in the federal public service, regardless of where, that if they see or hear it, they have an obligation to report, but that doesn't seem to get enforced. How do we embolden people to stand up for other people who don't have the courage to stand up for themselves?