Evidence of meeting #106 for Status of Women in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was data.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Pamela Best  Assistant Director, Social and Aboriginal Statistics Division, Statistics Canada
Jennifer Kaddatz  Chief, Social and Aboriginal Statistics Division, Statistics Canada
Anna Kemeny  Survey Manager, Social and Aboriginal Statistics Division, Statistics Canada
Justine Akman  Director General, Policy and External Relations, Office of the Co-ordinator, Status of Women Canada
Riri Shen  Director of Operations, Democratic Institutions, Privy Council Office
Nancy Gardiner  Senior Director General, Women’s Program and Regional Operations, Office of the Co-ordinator, Status of Women
Joshua Bath  Analyst, Democratic Institutions, Privy Council Office
Selena Beattie  Director of Operations, Cabinet Affairs, Legislation and House Planning, Privy Council Office

3:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Karen Vecchio

Good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to the 106th meeting of the Standing Committee on the Status of Women. Just as a reminder, this meeting is in public.

Today we're starting our study on the barriers facing women in politics.

I am pleased to welcome the officials from Statistics Canada. Today we have with us Pamela Best, assistant director, social and aboriginal statistics division; Anna Kemeny, survey manager, social and aboriginal statistics division; and Jennifer Kaddatz, chief, social and aboriginal statistics division.

We'll be turning the floor over to you. I believe that one of you will be speaking. You will have seven minutes.

Please go ahead.

3:30 p.m.

Pamela Best Assistant Director, Social and Aboriginal Statistics Division, Statistics Canada

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Good afternoon. We are very happy to be appearing before this committee to provide information on the general context of women's participation in political activities as part of your study on barriers facing women in politics in Canada. Statistics Canada does not produce data specifically on candidate recruitment and selection processes, professional networks and inequalities in terms of professional development opportunities or support to women in politics in Canada.

However, we do have data from the general social survey that illustrate Canadians social behaviours in political activities. Today, we are presenting a gender-based analysis that will look at the representation of women in parliamentary and government positions, their participation in civic and political organizations, as well as their opinions on politics. The majority of the data we are presenting today come from the 2013 general social survey on social identity.

We know that women are under-represented in senior government, legislative, and parliamentary positions in Canada. In this country, women represent 46% of senior government managers and officials, 35% of legislators, and 27% of persons holding seats in national Parliament. However, they do represent 50% of cabinet ministers.

The proportion of women working as senior government managers and officials is consistent with the labour market representation of women, where women overall are still under-represented. In 2015 women represented 48% of the labour force. It should be noted, however, that women's labour market participation is increasing and that women comprised 37% of the labour force in 1976.

To provide more context around the labour force participation of women, we see for women who work that they work on average 5.6 hours per week less than men, and that currently 19% of employed women work part-time, compared to 6% of employed men. The presence and age of the youngest child in the household has a notable effect on the work hours of women but very little effect on those of men. The average weekly work hours of mothers ranged from 34 for those with a child under the age of six, to 36 for those with a child aged 18 to 24. Women who did not have a child under the age of 25 worked the greater numbers of hours per week, with an average of 36.4.

Now that we've provided some context about the labour force participation of women, let's next look at their membership in political parties and organizations.

Women are still less likely than men to be members of a political party or to volunteer for a political party, but instead take on membership in school, neighbourhood, and community groups. Women represented 43% of members of a political party in 2013. About 530 women and 700 men were members of a party that year. This translates to 5% of men being members of a political party in 2013, compared to 4% of women. When broken down by age, it is those in the older age groups of 65 and over who are likely to be members, at 7%, and those in younger age groups of 15 to 54 who are the least likely, at 3%.

Our data show that 320 men, or 2.2% of all men, volunteered for a political party in 2013, compared to 240 women, or 1.6%. Membership in service clubs shows a very similar pattern to membership in political parties, with 7% of men having been members of a service club in 2013, compared to 6% of women. Note, too, that membership in a political party or political group association tends to be much less popular than other types of clubs or organizations.

For example, while 4% of Canadians are members of a political party or a group association, closer to 30% of Canadians are members of sports or recreational organizations, or cultural, educational, or hobby organizations, according to the 2013 general social survey on social identity. Women showed more interest than men in joining a school group, neighbourhood, civic or community association, at 20% versus 15%.

Next, let us look at the different ways in which men and women participate in certain political activities.

While 17% of men reported having attended a public meeting in the past 12 months, only 13% of women did so. Similarly, a higher proportion of men expressed their views on a political or social issue by contacting a newspaper or politician or by expressing views though the Internet.

On the other hand, women are as likely as men to sign a petition and are more likely to boycott or choose a product for ethical reasons.

Other types of political activities, such as participating in a demonstration or a march, wearing badges and T-shirts, displaying lawn signs in support of or in opposition to a political or social cause, or signing a petition on the Internet also showed no difference between the behaviour of men and women.

Could participation in political groups be related to interest in politics? Compared with men, it appears that women may be less interested in politics. Although 24% of men reported being very interested in politics in 2013, only 15% of women said they were. On the other end of the scale, more women than men said they were not very interested, 25% versus 19% of men.

When it comes to voting, women are equally likely as men to vote in federal elections, and they are more likely than men to vote at the provincial or municipal levels. When women do not vote in federal elections, they give slightly different reasons from those given by men for not doing so. Most notably in 2013, 13% of women said they did not vote because they were not informed on issues, compared with 7% of men. Women are also less likely than men to search for information on political issues.

Participation in political activities is positively associated with education and income group. More educated women and men, and women and men with higher incomes, are more likely to have positions in government and to undertake civic and political activities.

In closing, when we look at community engagement and political activity through a gender-based analysis, we see differences in the political participation of women and men, where women are less likely than men to be members of a political party.

Women participate in their community in other ways. For example, they are more likely than men to join school groups, neighbourhood associations, citizens' organizations and community groups. Although women are less likely than men to attend public meetings or express their opinion openly, they sign petitions and participate in other political activities just as often as men. In general, however, fewer women say that they are interested in political issues.

Data for the next cycle of the general social survey on social identity will be collected in 2020. That will enable us to examine changes over time in attitudes and behaviours relative to political participation.

Thank you for giving us an opportunity to present our data in your study. My colleagues, Anna Kemeny and Jennifer Kaddatz, and I will gladly answer your questions.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Karen Vecchio

Excellent, and thank you very much for your opening remarks.

We'll begin our seven-minute round with Emmanuella Lambropoulos.

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

Emmanuella Lambropoulos Liberal Saint-Laurent, QC

Thank you for being with us today to answer our questions.

You mentioned that women are just as likely as men to sign petitions or to boycott or choose products for ethical reasons, which kind of gives us the idea that they feel just as strongly about issues as men do, yet they're not as likely to become active or to join certain groups or to engage in any activities regarding political parties or volunteering.

Why do you think this is? What reasons would you give me to explain the lack of activity versus the lack of interest?

3:40 p.m.

Assistant Director, Social and Aboriginal Statistics Division, Statistics Canada

Pamela Best

The data don't allow us to actually go into that kind of detail, and I'm afraid I have to speak to the data. What we do see, though, is that difference whereby women seem a little less likely to put themselves out there. They are less likely to speak up in a meeting. They are less likely to express an opinion on the Internet. They seem, as you said, to still be engaged but perhaps in ways that are not exposing themselves as much in the public.

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

Emmanuella Lambropoulos Liberal Saint-Laurent, QC

Do you think it is because they feel they don't belong, because there are fewer women in this sphere?

3:40 p.m.

Assistant Director, Social and Aboriginal Statistics Division, Statistics Canada

Pamela Best

I'm afraid the data actually don't allow us to shine that kind of lens on it.

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

Emmanuella Lambropoulos Liberal Saint-Laurent, QC

You also mentioned that people who are more educated are more likely to go into politics or to express their political opinions and get more involved. Do you have any statistics about women versus men when it comes to how educated the population is?

3:40 p.m.

Jennifer Kaddatz Chief, Social and Aboriginal Statistics Division, Statistics Canada

Although we mostly presented general social survey data today, we do have some statistics from the 2016 census. Looking at the census data was really interesting, because they highlight some differences, but not extreme disadvantages for women. Women actually are more likely to have a university degree at the bachelor's level or higher than men: 25% of women in 2016 versus 22% of men, so it's fairly close, but not a big difference.

What was interesting, though, is we took a look at people who are university educated and whether or not they were likely to report an occupation in 2016. It seems that while women are more likely than men to be working under the age of 25 after they've obtained their university degree, after the age of 35 women's employment goes down. This would lend itself to saying they're likely to be more involved in child rearing and family-related responsibilities.

I also looked at some of the data on education related to participation, and legislative occupations and senior government roles. If you look at fields of study like political science and law, the number of women with university degrees in those fields is fairly similar, but where there's a little bit of a difference is with respect to business management and public administration degrees in those fields. For example, in 2016 there was a difference of four percentage points of the share of women going into business. There was a four percentage points difference from what it was for men going into business, and this is actually a little more pronounced for the 15- to 24-year-olds. If we look overall at all the people working in senior government positions or legislative positions, business is the main field of study reported, followed by the social and behavioural sciences. There could be something there related to business as a field of study.

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

Emmanuella Lambropoulos Liberal Saint-Laurent, QC

Thank you.

Of the people who are cabinet ministers or people holding seats in national Parliament, do we have any statistics that speak to whether or not they volunteered or joined parties before becoming cabinet ministers or holding seats in Parliament?

3:45 p.m.

Assistant Director, Social and Aboriginal Statistics Division, Statistics Canada

Pamela Best

Statistics Canada doesn't gather data. The surveys we conduct are general household surveys, so we're not specifically targeting populations of interest such as political party members.

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

Emmanuella Lambropoulos Liberal Saint-Laurent, QC

With regard to education, we mentioned that women are more likely to have a university degree overall. Does that vary by province?

3:45 p.m.

Chief, Social and Aboriginal Statistics Division, Statistics Canada

Jennifer Kaddatz

I don't have those data in front of me, but it's likely they do. I know that Anna did bring some data on interest in politics by province that might be of interest to the group.

June 5th, 2018 / 3:45 p.m.

Anna Kemeny Survey Manager, Social and Aboriginal Statistics Division, Statistics Canada

Yes, one of the questions was “How interested are you in politics?” The response categories were “very interested”, “somewhat interested”, “not very interested”, and “not at all interested“. What we found is that the highest proportion of women who reported to be “very interested” occurred in Quebec at 18% and the lowest proportion occurred in New Brunswick at 9%.

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

Emmanuella Lambropoulos Liberal Saint-Laurent, QC

Okay.

Do I have some time left?

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Karen Vecchio

Yes, you have 90 seconds.

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

Emmanuella Lambropoulos Liberal Saint-Laurent, QC

I'm going to pass my time to Bernadette.

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

Bernadette Jordan Liberal South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

Thank you.

Thank you, witnesses, for appearing today.

I find it interesting when you're talking about the provincial differences. Can you tell me what Nova Scotia was, please?

3:45 p.m.

Survey Manager, Social and Aboriginal Statistics Division, Statistics Canada

Anna Kemeny

In Nova Scotia, women were at 15%.

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

Bernadette Jordan Liberal South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

At 15%. What year was this?

3:45 p.m.

Survey Manager, Social and Aboriginal Statistics Division, Statistics Canada

Anna Kemeny

It was 2013.

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

Bernadette Jordan Liberal South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

You don't do this again until 2020. Is that correct?

3:45 p.m.

Survey Manager, Social and Aboriginal Statistics Division, Statistics Canada

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

Bernadette Jordan Liberal South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

Is that normal, a seven-year cycle?

3:45 p.m.

Survey Manager, Social and Aboriginal Statistics Division, Statistics Canada

Anna Kemeny

Generally, for the social surveys we tend to do five-year intervals, but we actually have more subject matter areas now, so some of them are spaced apart a little more.