That's a great question, Michelle.
Isn't that really the crux of the issues that we're talking about? The episode at the Oscars was certainly shocking. The public debate that's opened up is also very interesting.
I think the need for prevention and education can't be underestimated. We know that we need more supports for women; we know that more women are experiencing gender-based violence. When I started this work in 1988, we believed we were going to end violence against women and child abuse. It's pretty simple: Just don't do it. Apparently it's not that simple.
I think we need to double up on systems of prevention and education while we are still helping women who are experiencing violence. I think that's a big investment.
I believe that we could change in one generation how our boys and our girls imagine themselves. I think we do our kids an incredible injustice. We rob our boys, our girls, our gender-diverse children of innate humanity and empathy, and their joy, with systematized, imposed gender roles and permission for toxic masculinity to continue. It's tough.
Mitch, I was listening to you talk about your program. It's really tough to first have those conversations with men. There is a lot of risk in that, because it makes a lot of guys feel really uncomfortable.