That's not the issue. I'm not raising that; what I'm raising is simply that fatigue is a safety issue, fatigue is a security issue, but fatigue is not just another safety and security issue to be managed by a management process.
There is biology; there is science. There are diktats that say there are rules that cannot be broken. Within those rules, you can set things like hours of service and how people work—so, yes, it is a safety and security issue.
When people are fatigued, if they're sick, if they're ill, it is a safety and security issue. When one of our members is lying on the floor, hurt, on a plane, the question going through from the pilots, because of the 9/11 rules, is whether they should go back to help her or not. The Canada Labour Code says if you get hurt on the job, you're supposed to be able to get aid. Under the security rules, the question becomes whether there is any potential damage to the plane.
Well, this is part of the process we're talking about that creates these rules. There is need for not having a wide-open box. We say prescriptive rules—and as you know, Teamsters Canada is not obstructive at these meetings. We're quite open to changes that make sense to our employers so that they can be more efficient and create more work, but there are lines to be drawn, and this bill doesn't take it into account.