Evidence of meeting #9 for Transport, Infrastructure and Communities in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was ports.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Sean Hanrahan  Chair, Association of Canadian Port Authorities
Gordon Houston  President and Chief Executive Officer, Vancouver Fraser Port Authority
Patrice Pelletier  President and Chief Executive Officer, Montreal Port Authority
Gary Leroux  Executive Director, Association of Canadian Port Authorities

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair (Mr. Mervin Tweed (Brandon—Souris, CPC)) Conservative Merv Tweed

Good morning. Welcome, everyone, to meeting number nine of the Standing Committee on Transport, Infrastructure and Communities.

Just before we start, I'd like to wish my colleagues a belated happy new year, and welcome back.

Pursuant to the order of reference of Tuesday, December 4, 2007, we have Bill C-23, an act to amend the Canada Marine Act, the Canada Transportation Act, the Pilotage Act, and other acts in consequence.

Since we've had some discussion, I think I'm going to take the chair's advice. I'll introduce the chair and he can introduce the people with him, and then move to his presentation.

With that, I'll welcome Sean Hanrahan for the Association of Canadian Port Authorities. Welcome, and please proceed.

11:05 a.m.

Sean Hanrahan Chair, Association of Canadian Port Authorities

Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.

Good morning. Thank you for having us here today, and belated happy new year to all committee members.

My name is Sean Hanrahan. I'm the CEO of the St. John's Port Authority in Newfoundland and I'm also the chair for this year of the Association of Canadian Port Authorities.

With me is Mr. Patrice Pelletier, who's the new CEO at the Montreal Port Authority, and Captain Gordon Houston, who is the CEO of the Vancouver Fraser Port Authority. We also have Gary Leroux, who is the executive director of our association.

Ms. Lisa Raitt, who is also a member of our executive, was to come here but is absent due to pressing business in Toronto. She sends her regrets as well as her full support of the brief to follow.

Again, Mr. Chairman and committee members, I'd like to thank the committee for the invitation here this morning, and indeed I'd like to thank the government for moving forward with these key amendments to the Canada Marine Act.

I will address the issues related to the proposed amendments in Bill C-23, but first I'd like to offer a brief introduction. I don't anticipate my remarks will be any longer than five or seven minutes, Mr. Chairman.

The Canada Marine Act, which created the Canada port authorities or CPAs, has been beneficial for governments, for the public, and most importantly for the port users. Section 4 of the Canada Marine Act outlines clear objectives for port authorities, and since 1998 CPAs have lived up to these very important policy goals. The act stipulated a strong public policy role for ports and at the same time mandated them to be self-sufficient and commercial. Further, CPAs must subscribe to rigorous management regulations as well as environmental assessment regulations conferred on them by the act. And finally, we as ports send to the federal treasury for general use a percentage of gross revenues every year. In addition, we also make payments in lieu of taxes to our respective municipalities, as set down in the Payments in Lieu of Taxes Act.

Since the inception of the CMA in 1998, Canada's 19 port authorities—which are now actually 17 port authorities, given the west coast merger—grew the amount of cargo annually in Canada from 240 million tonnes to 280 million tonnes. In dollar value that's $100 billion to $146 billion. Since that time, all CPAs have made investments in infrastructure, undertaken environmental initiatives, ensured strong security measures on port property and other facilities, and continue to facilitate trade and commerce to the benefit of all Canadians. As a trading nation, 40% of Canada's GDP depends on trade, and more than one-quarter of that trade is shipped via the Canadian ports system. Port authorities are mindful of the need to continue to facilitate this trade while carrying on their important stewardship role in the cities and harbours in which we do business.

What is a CPA itself? In general, we are a construct of the Canada Marine Act, and from an operational perspective exist as landlord ports with many diverse tenants, which, by and large, have long-term commercial leases with us as landlords. The port authority ensures that these businesses have what they need for the safe and efficient flow of freight, and, given the cruise industry, the passengers as well. While a port authority itself as an entity may have only a relatively small staff to fulfill their mandate under the Canada Marine Act, there are thousands of other people who work on port property with the myriad of enterprises that involves, all of which are generating millions of dollars in economic activity and in taxes paid to each level of government.

Port authorities have been called vital economic engines because of the contribution they make to the local and regional economies. They will continue to be crucial in this regard, with the growth rate in trade projected to double by 2020. Port authorities and all landside connections, road and rail, must prepare for this trade. If we aren't ready, Canada's prosperity will be diminished. Ports operate in a highly competitive world, and we ignore that at our peril.

The proposed amendments to the Canada Marine Act will add to Canada's competitiveness. I make this statement with the unanimous support of our full membership. Seven issues on which amendments have been proposed have also been unanimously approved by our membership. I'll go through them now.

The first issue is the introductory provisions to the act itself, mainly based around section 4. Changes to the Canada Marine Act, indeed, have been a long time coming. In fact the five-year mandatory review was completed in June of 2003. Here we are now another five years later, in 2008, but with what I feel to be a better product in front of us. The proposed amendments are indeed a right step for Canada's major ports. The proposed changes acknowledge the vital role that port authorities play in the economic health of the country, and they do so by providing more flexibility to grow and prosper. In so doing, the amendments in no way relinquish or reduce any responsibility on our part for full accountability under the act. CPAs have always played an important role in the coordination of transportation in and around ports. We are all only as strong, however, as our weakest link—and of course that is the message to all of us, so that all levels of authority or government ensure that roads, bridges, rail lines, and other transportation infrastructure are operating at their full peak. The CMA and the proposed changes provide an excellent framework for port authorities to do business in Canada. The Association of Canadian Port Authorities endorses the proposed changes to section 4 of the Canada Marine Act to more adequately recognize our role as vital economic engines in Canada.

Second is the fees and leases issue, and the definitional issues surrounding them. This is in regard to sections 2 and 53 of the act. For port authorities to continue to operate their assets in a commercial manner and to remain self-sufficient, a critical component of our ability to do so is to set fee schedules, as well as to negotiate commercial leases and contracts. Experience has shown that it is imperative that lease and rent negotiations be market driven, and not be subject to external review or adjudication or amendment. Government and port authorities have long agreed on this need; hence, the value of this proposed amendment to bring the regulation and the definition in line with practice—and also, frankly, to bring these in line with Federal Court of Appeal dicta in this regard. The ability to set fees based on commercial needs is a critical element for port authorities to remain self-sufficient, as required under the Canada Marine Act. The association again endorses the amendment of the definition of fees and leases.

Number three—access to government funding programs—is related mostly to section 25 of the current act. Port authorities are currently prohibited from accessing federal funding programs. ACPA, our association, has long argued that port authorities should have program parity with other Canadian commercial enterprises, which have such access. We have pointed out that the federal program guidelines and the criteria themselves ought to dictate who receives funding. In the current situation, port authorities are at a disadvantage with respect to federal programs. For example, access to security funding after the tragic events of 9/11 had to be provided by a consequential amendment to another act, the Public Safety Act, rather than our own Canada Marine Act. Unfortunately, the three-year window provided in that act has now closed, and port authorities are now ineligible for any future funding from this specific security contribution program.

Another example of how this has impacted port authorities relates to Transport Canada 's freight efficiency program. Denying access to programs like it prevents CPAs from taking on development projects that could lead to more efficient and sustainable freight movement.

Finally, many public and private enterprises have accessed important federal funding to enhance infrastructure in order to facilitate the movement of goods and people. As noted earlier, and as stated in section 4 of the act, port authorities have an important public policy role to facilitate trade, and yet we cannot obtain federal infrastructure support for this important function.

On the list of conditions set out for a port authority to receive federal contribution funding as per the proposed amendments, the association indeed supports the amendment, without question. However, it would make a very minor amendment to the actual wording. Proposed subparagraph 14(b)(iv), which relates to the current section 25, would be amended to have the word “and” deleted and the word “or” substituted to more accurately express the intent of the clause.

Item four is our borrowing limits, and this relates to sections 28 and 30 of the act. We have asked for changes to the current borrowing regime under the Canada Marine Act, and we are very pleased that this has been addressed in the current bill. This amendment will provide the opportunity for port authorities to work with government to establish appropriate borrowing frameworks that meet the diverse requirements of Canada's 17 CPAs.

The development of a workable borrowing code remains a key part of ensuring the success of this policy initiative. Port authorities will work with government officials to seek minor improvements to the draft borrowing code to ensure the effectiveness of this proposed new mechanism. We endorse whole-heartedly the proposed amendments related to borrowing limits.

Item five is amalgamation, and this pertains to section 13 of the act. The Canada Marine Act review panel had recommended that amalgamations be permitted where there was a strong business case to do so. The proposed amendments to the Canada Marine Act provide more clarity related to the transition to such amalgamated port authorities, and are welcomed. We endorse the proposed amendment.

Item six pertains to section 14 of the act and the board of directors term renewal limits. Port authorities have benefited greatly from the new governance structure created under the Canada Marine Act in 1998. This structure recognizes the importance of having local representation in place on our boards. It also recognizes the important need to have broad experience on the board, with directors nominated from each level of government, and the majority of directors selected by the federal minister after consultation and receipt of nominations proposed by the user classes of a port authority.

While the various nominating parties nominate directors, once on the board, under current governance law, the fiduciary duty of a director is to the port authority. The proposed amendments strengthen this structure by providing an additional three-year term for directors that allows port authorities to benefit from their experience. Finally, the idea of having directors remain in place until they are reappointed, or until another director is appointed, would prevent situations where vacancies exist for an untenable length of time. We endorse the proposed amendments in this regard.

Finally are enforcement provisions that relate to section 61 of the act. The proposed amendments related to enforcement provide port authorities with a more efficient process for ensuring compliance with regulations under the act, while also providing a suitable review and appeal mechanism of such enforcement decisions. The proposed amendments to address regulatory non-compliance would also preclude the need for redress to the courts in many cases. ACPA endorses the proposed enforcement provision in the Canada Marine Act.

Mr. Chairman, I have outlined seven particular issues and the amendments pertaining thereto with which the Association of Canadian Port Authorities unanimously agrees. We feel Bill C-23 is a huge advance for our industry. We encourage quick and speedy passage of the legislation, and look forward to any questions you may have.

Thank you very much.

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

Thank you very much.

Mr. Volpe.

11:20 a.m.

Liberal

Joe Volpe Liberal Eglinton—Lawrence, ON

Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Welcome back. Happy new year to you.

And thank you, gentlemen, for coming before us.

You probably already know that the bill in its initial form went through the House fairly quickly. That's why it's before the committee. You've probably done your homework and found that members of all parties of Parliament felt this was a piece of legislation that deserved immediate study. I don't know whether it will pass in the House, but all indications suggest that members at least recognize the economic impact of the ports.

Those of us on this side of the table, in the Liberal Party, were pleased to give initial support, and we're looking to see what you have to say about the advantages of the legislation. Obviously we're anxious to ensure the legislation meets the needs, not only of the port authorities themselves but also of the economies they sustain.

I'm anxious to hear your perception of the relationship your port authorities have with their host municipalities. You briefly alluded to the three ports in the lower British Columbia mainland, i.e., Vancouver, Delta, and Richmond, and I am wondering whether you have any insights into how some of the other ports in Canada relate to the municipalities that would help us get a better understanding of the economic impact of this bill.

11:20 a.m.

Chair, Association of Canadian Port Authorities

Sean Hanrahan

Thank you, Mr. Volpe.

Captain Houston, whose port you made reference to, might like to take that for a first comment.

11:20 a.m.

Captain Gordon Houston President and Chief Executive Officer, Vancouver Fraser Port Authority

Thank you very much.

You're right about the amalgamation. It caused us to look at the model we have for liaising with municipalities. In fact we're developing what we call our “municipal liaison forum”, which is going to be an annual conference with boards and councillors and that type of thing. It's a formalization of what we've been doing on an ad hoc basis for years and years. With 16 municipalities it's daunting to do it on an ad hoc basis now, so formality is required within this new port authority.

As far as the municipalities in other areas of the country, to be perfectly honest I have no formal answer. From my understanding through discussions with other CEOs, etc., there seems to be a very good relationship between the municipalities and the ports in most of the areas. Most of the ports have only one municipality to deal with, which makes for a different type of relationship from the one we have at Vancouver Fraser.

11:25 a.m.

Liberal

Joe Volpe Liberal Eglinton—Lawrence, ON

The reason I asked the question was because you highlighted in your presentation that the port and the authority are only as good as the access to the port itself. That conjures up images of a port authority relating to the municipality or municipalities that generate it. The regulatory powers for building an infrastructure leading up to the usage of the port quite often reside in municipal authorities, occasionally in provincial authorities, sometimes a combination of both, and only rarely on exclusive federal authority. That's why I asked the question.

Does that relate to the governance model that's proposed in this bill? If so, what measures do you think are effective in terms of engaging stakeholders, users, and the various levels of government?

11:25 a.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Vancouver Fraser Port Authority

Captain Gordon Houston

That's a very good question.

You are right. In fact in the Vancouver lower mainland all three levels of government have some form of authority over access to the port, as it comes through various municipal, provincial, or even federal roads.

We are required, as ports, to have a land use plan. It's in the act. All of the ports have a plan, which we're having to redo because of our new structure. I know the individual ports went to each municipality and sought input for that plan. They received changes and corrections to the plan and came to an agreement.

Every project that's handled within our port is also submitted to the municipality of jurisdiction for their comments. We are not required to do that, but we submit it through the development process of the municipality and we take into account their concerns and comments. Where we can, we will accommodate them.

There is a history that makes sure the municipalities have a lot of say on how the port is developed, be it a new terminal, a simple road access, or a small business. All of these things, certainly in our port, go to the municipality for input.

11:25 a.m.

Liberal

Joe Volpe Liberal Eglinton—Lawrence, ON

I don't mean to be confrontational or to raise an issue that might lead to a perception that there is confrontation between ports and the local municipalities, or, as I say, even provincial jurisdictions, but you say that you consult with the local authorities. My understanding is that the act does not compel you to employ the regulatory process of the municipalities, and that your first objective, your first goal, is to ensure that the federal assets--because that's what those ports are--function in accordance with the federal policies and directions that are associated with the proper working of these port authorities in the context of the Canadian economy.

I don't mean by this to put a federal government against a provincial government, but I do mean a macro view of the economy. What guarantees are built into this to either protect that or mitigate it for the purposes of still addressing local issues?

11:25 a.m.

Chair, Association of Canadian Port Authorities

Sean Hanrahan

Mr. Volpe, I know that Patrice Pelletier would like to say something.

Would you like to answer specifically to that, or shall I?

11:25 a.m.

Patrice Pelletier President and Chief Executive Officer, Montreal Port Authority

Well, it was more on the first two questions. Perhaps you can address this one and I can come back. I wanted to talk to Mr. Volpe a bit more about the principle involved in our relationship with the city in our case.

11:25 a.m.

Chair, Association of Canadian Port Authorities

Sean Hanrahan

Sure.

Mr. Volpe, in terms of the act, in terms of the legislation of which you speak, we are directed, under section 4, to liaise.

I don't know if Gary can tell me the wording of section 4....

National objectives? Yes, I got it, thank you.

I'll say a couple of things, Mr. Volpe. First of all, fundamentally what you're talking about is the division of powers. It comes straight from the Constitution. In fact, that hit the Supreme Court of Canada only last June. There was a ruling that set out the law in the matter. Now, you're not talking about setting law, you're talking about communication and compromise and working together. The Constitution doesn't bump that out of the act.

Under section 4, we are charged with managing the marine infrastructure and services, as a commercial manager that encourages and takes into account input from users and the community in which a port is located. So in the national marine policy of the country, there in section 4 is the charge that, if I take what you're saying, ought to be given to the port authorities. We had that here under section 4.

I'd also point out--

11:30 a.m.

Liberal

Joe Volpe Liberal Eglinton—Lawrence, ON

But do you institutionalize that through appointments on your board of directors?

11:30 a.m.

Chair, Association of Canadian Port Authorities

Sean Hanrahan

Pardon me, sir?

11:30 a.m.

Liberal

Joe Volpe Liberal Eglinton—Lawrence, ON

Do you institutionalize that charge by appointing members?

11:30 a.m.

Chair, Association of Canadian Port Authorities

Sean Hanrahan

Yes, and that was my second point. There is a seat on the board of directors to be nominated from the municipality in which the port resides. So yes, there is also a person there as well as a policy charge.

Third, particularly in smaller ports such as St. John's, there is continuous liaison between the two entities. There is both land use planning and application procedures.

Also, I can tell you that in a prior life, as a former city councillor myself, they're very happy to have the tax base generated by the federal entity known as the port authority. In St. John's, for example, we probably comprise the second or third largest tax source for the City of St. John's. They're appreciative of that. That doesn't mean you have any kind of a hammer over anybody's head. It just means they appreciate us and we appreciate them.

11:30 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

Monsieur Laframboise.

11:30 a.m.

Bloc

Mario Laframboise Bloc Argenteuil—Papineau—Mirabel, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, gentlemen.

First of all, Mr. Pelletier, on behalf of the Bloc Québécois, I'd like to congratulate you on your appointment as CEO of the Port of Montreal. I'd like to address my questions specifically to you. The Bloc Québécois supports the bill, but we have certain concerns, especially with regard to maritime traffic on the St. Lawrence River. In the early 80s, 130 million tonnes were transported on the St. Lawrence River. Right now, it's about 105 million tonnes. So there's been a reduction in traffic since the 80s, whereas there's been a phenomenal growth in maritime transport worldwide, an increase in the order of 600%. The Mississippi River has had an increase, from 450 million tonnes to 700 million tonnes over the same period. I'd like you to reassure me. Will such a bill work in our favour? Will it favour the St. Lawrence River?

I don't think that a loan is a problem for the Port of Montreal, unless I'm wrong. But this won't be to your advantage. I agree that you should have access to a financing program, but if you're penalized because you have fewer loans than others and you're told to borrow... I want to be comforted here. I don't want you to be penalized more than other ports. Am I wrong?

11:30 a.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Montreal Port Authority

Patrice Pelletier

I fully agree with the comments made by my colleagues and the Port of Montreal is in full agreement with the position of the association and supports this bill. Among the essential reasons for that position, there is traffic along the St. Lawrence which you mentioned. We've had growth for 27 years. The results for 2007 will be announced very soon. Once again, we beat our record for the previous year. This year, we had more than a 9% increase in cargo container traffic, which is double that of the previous year.

There's also been a certain transformation with regard to cargo transport. Formerly, there was a certain quantity of bulk cargo that disappeared in favour of some form of containerization. That is an effect of globalization, we didn't invent it. That transformation has been going on for 30 years and will continue to increase. Ships are getting bigger and bigger and they will transport more and more goods by container.

We believe that growth is possible in Montreal. Today, in 2008, we know there will be a capacity problem in 2015. Within only seven years, the Port of Montreal will have attained its full capacity. We must take measures now in order to be able to grow because this demand exists. You can rest assured, this increase will come.

Moreover, to achieve our growth objectives, we will have to expand. There will certainly be a major expansion project for the Port of Montreal, which will enable it to increase its capacity in accordance with the needs that will appear within seven years. Without going into detail, we're talking about an investment of over $500 million just for that work.

We also have other objectives. We have to look after our existing infrastructure first. In the next five years, we're going to spend over $220 million in capital expenditures. Those are our own funds; so we're not talking about loans. That's the minimum we have to invest in the next five years. If we do forecasts for the next 10 years, that amount will certainly easily be multiplied. In the last five years, the total investment in capital expenditures was only $110 million. So we can see that there's growth.

There's also the issues of cruises on the St. Lawrence, consolidation, better access, maritime stations that perform better. That could be a very good project for Montreal and for Canada. And that wouldn't be just because of income, but also because of openness and recognition both in North America and worldwide. In our opinion, this expansion project could very well complement the objective of governments with regard to domestic trade and international trade. Montreal is a hub; it's the gateway to a pool of 100 million consumers located within an hour or an hour and a half from Montreal by plane. That's important.

The other issue I was discussing with Mr. Volpe is that by law, our administration certainly has socio-economic obligations, or in other words, our activities have repercussions on society. For Montreal, that in fact adds up to about $2 billion in economic spinoffs and 17,000 direct and indirect jobs. If you look at all ports, be it Vancouver, St. John's or anywhere else, they have an incredible multiplying effect on the economy.

11:35 a.m.

Bloc

Mario Laframboise Bloc Argenteuil—Papineau—Mirabel, QC

I'm convinced there is no problem. As a matter of fact, I want Montreal to flourish and the St. Lawrence to be used to maximum capacity. Of course, if you're telling me that in a project... You're telling me that you're going to invest $220 million to maintain existing infrastructure and that you have a $500 million expansion project which would probably require loans and government assistance.

11:35 a.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Montreal Port Authority

11:35 a.m.

Bloc

Mario Laframboise Bloc Argenteuil—Papineau—Mirabel, QC

If there were programs, they would help you. Afterwards, you'd be given the opportunity to negotiate leases, to have certain... This new legislation would probably enable you to negotiate territories, land, things like that.

11:35 a.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Montreal Port Authority

Patrice Pelletier

Exactly. The issue is flexibility, notably the temporary use of some land as opposed to more long-term use. In fact, the entire bill revolves around that flexibility. You mentioned it with regard to loans, but that same flexibility also exists with regard to land. Right now, we have 200 leases on the territory, and the bill will allow some flexibility for the use made of that land, be it temporary or longer term.

11:35 a.m.

Bloc

Mario Laframboise Bloc Argenteuil—Papineau—Mirabel, QC

That's fine.

With regard to the mission, do you do that with the city? Do you always negotiate those things...?

11:40 a.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Montreal Port Authority

Patrice Pelletier

It depends on the owner. These entities can be private or commercial. Naturally, there's a whole range of stakeholders or people who are owners.