Evidence of meeting #29 for Transport, Infrastructure and Communities in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was amendment.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Wayne Cole  Procedural Clerk
Simon Dubé  Director, Portfolio Management, Crown Corporation Governance, Department of Transport
Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Bonnie Charron

12:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

Monsieur Nadeau.

October 26th, 2010 / 12:05 p.m.

Bloc

Richard Nadeau Bloc Gatineau, QC

If I understand correctly, Mr. Jean, you are talking about meetings we held in the fall of 2009, not recent meetings.

12:05 p.m.

Conservative

Brian Jean Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB

Precisely.

12:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

Our guest at the end of the table is from the department. Welcome, and if there are any questions for you, I'm sure members will ask.

Also, for information, we have tentatively suggested November 22 for La Pocatière--that is a Monday--and I would ask members to check their calendars. We haven't confirmed anything, but I'm putting that out there. I know, Mr. Guimond, you talked about a Monday.

12:05 p.m.

Bloc

Michel Guimond Bloc Montmorency—Charlevoix—Haute-Côte-Nord, QC

Could you repeat that?

12:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

November 22.

12:05 p.m.

Bloc

Michel Guimond Bloc Montmorency—Charlevoix—Haute-Côte-Nord, QC

November?

12:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

November 22. It's a Monday. I'm putting that out there, and I would ask committee members to get back to Bonnie as quickly as they can, if that works. The funding has been approved for it. We were scheduled to do it in the last session, and due to circumstances, we didn't get there. They've invited us back.

We'll now move on to Bill C-20. The preamble and clause 1 will be postponed until the end.

(On clause 2)

We have a government amendment, G-1.

Mr. Jean.

12:05 p.m.

Conservative

Brian Jean Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

The amendment we're proposing has to do with a definition of “ecological integrity”. Obviously the document can speak for itself, but I will recite it into the record:

“ecological integrity” means a condition that is deemed to be characteristic of a natural region and likely to persist, including abiotic components and the composition and abundance of native species and biological communities, rates of change and supporting processes;

I understand that this definition was taken from the definition in law.

Mr. Dubé confirms that.

12:05 p.m.

Simon Dubé Director, Portfolio Management, Crown Corporation Governance, Department of Transport

It's from the National Parks Act.

12:05 p.m.

Conservative

Brian Jean Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB

Thank you.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

Mr. Jean, in the second line it says “that is determined”.

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Conservative

Brian Jean Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB

Yes.

12:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

You used the word ”deemed”.

12:05 p.m.

Conservative

Brian Jean Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB

Yes, “that is determined” is proper, and the text is correct.

(Amendment agreed to)

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

We have another government amendment, G-2.

Mr. Jean.

12:05 p.m.

Conservative

Brian Jean Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB

There was quite a discussion amongst members previously on what “greenbelt” means. That's why the definition has been added.

So “greenbelt” means an area whose boundaries are described in schedule 2.1.

12:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

Before I go to comments, I'm advised that this amendment is beyond the scope, in adding a new concept of “greenbelt”. It would also impact amendments G-3, G-4, LIB-7, G-8, G-9, and G-10.

Obviously, if the committee chooses to take a different position on that and support the amendment, I'm not going to rule all the other amendments out of order. If my decision is overturned, it will apply to all of those, and we will include them in the discussion.

Monsieur Proulx.

12:05 p.m.

Liberal

Marcel Proulx Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

On a point of information, do we have schedule 2.1 somewhere?

12:05 p.m.

Conservative

Brian Jean Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB

Monsieur Dubé.

12:05 p.m.

Director, Portfolio Management, Crown Corporation Governance, Department of Transport

Simon Dubé

It's one of the motions--probably the last one. I don't have the numbering, but it's schedule 2.1.

12:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

It's BQ-10.

12:05 p.m.

Director, Portfolio Management, Crown Corporation Governance, Department of Transport

Simon Dubé

As it stands now, it just provides room for the actual description of the boundaries, because they do not exist now, as they do for Gatineau Park. So if you go through all the motions the government is presenting, it provides for the insertion within five years of the actual description of the greenbelt boundaries.

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

Monsieur Proulx.

12:10 p.m.

Liberal

Marcel Proulx Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

In other words, you are suggesting including the term “Greenbelt” in the bill, when that term is not defined or described anywhere.