Evidence of meeting #47 for Transport, Infrastructure and Communities in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was transport.

A recording is available from Parliament.

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MPs speaking

Also speaking

Kevin McGarr  President and Chief Executive Officer, Canadian Air Transport Security Authority
Richard Balnis  Senior Officer, Research, Canadian Union of Public Employees

February 15th, 2011 / 11:45 a.m.

Bloc

Gérard Asselin Bloc Manicouagan, QC

My question is about security and about items that are allowed through the checkpoint. Are the rules less strict now in 2011 than they were in 2006 and 2008?

In the document that we were given this morning, I can see that in 2006 and 2008, the following items were prohibited: ice skates, duct tape, metal handcuffs, tie wraps, that today are often used by security guards, even by police officers, and that are used instead of handcuffs at times.

According to this document, these items are currently allowed through the checkpoint with your boarding pass and passport, in other words these items are allowed on board. When a 20-strong hockey team boards a plane, there are 20 pairs of skates. If a team of 20 figure skaters board a plane, there are just as many skates on board.

I do not understand this because in Labrador City and in Wabush, I almost had to undergo a strip search because I had two lighters in my pants pocket. I had to take off my shoes, my socks, my shirt and my jacket. I only had my pants on when I went through because of two lighters in my pocket. That's number one.

Second, I would like to understand the percentage of individuals: does 1 individual out of 10 get searched, 2 out of 10, or 3 out of 20, regardless of why? If you are the 12th individual, you are the one who will be searched.

I will give you an example. I am not someone who takes a plane very often, but I do at times. At the checkpoint in Baie-Comeau, the same thing more or less happened to me. I had to take my shoes off, my jacket, go through four or five times, go out, come back, because of their security measures. Unfortunately, there were no men available to conduct a strip search; there were only two women that morning at the checkpoint. That is why I was not strip searched. I had to do everything at the checkpoint, I delayed everyone, and then the checkpoint officers apologized and told me that even though they had known me for a long time, even though they knew I was a member of Parliament, I was the individual assigned to a search. If that individual was the 10th individual, then that was me. It happened to be me. The 20th individual was also searched.

Why is that? If you have any doubts about people, I agree, and it makes me feel safer. When I board a plane, I feel safe because I know that there is a checkpoint and things are done properly. But 1 individual out of every 10? The 8th individual gets a free pass but the 10th individual does not, even though they do not have anything on them. They are just checked because according to the standards, the 10th individual has to be searched. If you happen to be number 10, then you are just about strip searched.

I was not strip searched in Baie-Comeau. I was told I would have had to go into the room, but because there were only two women, and because I am a man and there were no men there that morning... They apologized but they explained that this had happened because I was the 10th individual. I was told that. I was the number that had to be searched. I don't understand: because I had two lighters in my pocket—at the time I used to smoke—I was almost strip searched.

They go as far as removing toothpaste tubes. I have seen that at the checkpoint. And yet, 20 pairs of skates, duct tape, metal handcuffs and tie wrap are allowed on board. For goodness' sake!

It is rather difficult to understand this document. Has there been a relaxing of security in 2011, compared to 2006 and 2008? If so, I feel less safe.

11:50 a.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Canadian Air Transport Security Authority

Kevin McGarr

As I explained earlier, the rationale behind the changes made to the list of prohibited items is defined by Transport Canada. We as operating officers respect regulations as defined by Transport Canada.

11:50 a.m.

Bloc

Gérard Asselin Bloc Manicouagan, QC

It is not Transport Canada that issued this information this morning.

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

I have to stop it there.

If you want to respond, Mr. McGarr, I'll let you finish. If not, I'll move on.

11:50 a.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Canadian Air Transport Security Authority

Kevin McGarr

I would simply like to specify that it is Transport Canada and not CATSA that determines which objects are permitted and which are prohibited.

Thank you, sir.

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

Ms. Gallant.

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Renfrew—Nipissing—Pembroke, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Before I begin, if the chair will allow, I'd like to provide one minute to our colleague Mr. Dhaliwal to answer Mr. Guimond's question. It will help me in the questions that I ask of our witnesses. I give my time to Mr. Dhaliwal.

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

I'm guessing that he has nothing more to say.

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Renfrew—Nipissing—Pembroke, ON

Just to answer the question....

11:50 a.m.

Bloc

Michel Guimond Bloc Montmorency—Charlevoix—Haute-Côte-Nord, QC

I will read the blues when I will come back.

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Renfrew—Nipissing—Pembroke, ON

Can you tell me--

11:50 a.m.

Liberal

Sukh Dhaliwal Liberal Newton—North Delta, BC

I can speak if she wants to give part of her time.

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

She's giving you a minute for an explanation. Fire away.

11:50 a.m.

Liberal

Sukh Dhaliwal Liberal Newton—North Delta, BC

Sure.

Mr. Chair, Mr. Guimond approached my colleague, Mr. McCallum, and he in fact asked if I called him racist, and I did not. There's no such thing as I called my friend a racist. That's all I would like to clear up.

Thank you.

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

Ms. Gallant.

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Renfrew—Nipissing—Pembroke, ON

Thank you.

11:50 a.m.

Bloc

Michel Guimond Bloc Montmorency—Charlevoix—Haute-Côte-Nord, QC

I will read in the blues exactly what you've said.

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Renfrew—Nipissing—Pembroke, ON

To our witnesses, would you tell us how passengers--

11:50 a.m.

Bloc

Michel Guimond Bloc Montmorency—Charlevoix—Haute-Côte-Nord, QC

Maybe I misunderstood. I will read the blues.

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Renfrew—Nipissing—Pembroke, ON

--are going to benefit from the changes that are going to be made at checkpoints across the country?

11:50 a.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Canadian Air Transport Security Authority

Kevin McGarr

Some of the most important improvements I think are going to be on the actual throughput of passengers. The changes that have been proposed will allow us to increase the passenger throughput, which will allow us to reduce the waiting time for passengers as they go through the screening process. The process will be more efficient. The harmonization will allow for less confusion as to what is permitted and what is interdicted in the restricted area. It will allow, also, screening officers to concentrate more on some of the items we really want them to focus on, and that it is improvised explosive devices or any components that can be found in carry-on luggage.

11:55 a.m.

Conservative

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Renfrew—Nipissing—Pembroke, ON

We understand that CATSA receives complaints from passengers who had to surrender items such as small tools and scissors during screening. Do you believe that these changes will increase passenger satisfaction?

11:55 a.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Canadian Air Transport Security Authority

11:55 a.m.

Conservative

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Renfrew—Nipissing—Pembroke, ON

Will the changes to the prohibited items list result in higher throughput and more efficient operations?

11:55 a.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Canadian Air Transport Security Authority

Kevin McGarr

Yes. As I stated, I believe that not only will operations be more efficient because it will be easier for passengers to comply with harmonized lists, but it will also be more effective because screening officers will be able to better concentrate on more significant threats that could be present.