Sir, we're not principally opposed to SMS. We think there are some problems with the implementation, with the way it is running.
I will give you a good example, sir, of where it has worked well. I come out of the air navigation system. I come from Transport Canada, and then Nav Canada, back when it was commercialized.
Nav Canada has a safety management system that's fully functioning and takes into account everything I am going to state right now. There has to be oversight. There has to be training down to the working level. There has to be encouragement of the employees and members to file SMS reports. There has to be non-punitive reporting so that you can report something that happened without fear of being sent home without pay.
Those are the issues. As I said earlier, I don't want to see the baby thrown out with the bathwater.