I want to come back to a point that is important, and that is this issue of supporting with any documentation you have that suggests it drives up the costs.
You say that it sounds like it's an anti-union rhetoric, and I'm trying to move it the other way to the numbers. Follow the money is really what we're trying to get a sense of, in terms of trying to know to what extent it is to be....
You're talking, Mr. Dumais, just from a fairness standpoint that, if closed shops can compete with you, why can you not compete with them on government infrastructure? Is that fair to say?