Okay, so the answer is no. That's your answer, that your members are not prepared, and CAPP is not prepared, to sit down with the railway companies and negotiate a joint liability arrangement where the owners of the dangerous goods don't get to say, “Here are the dangerous goods. Now you're responsible for them and at the back end when we unload, we'll take the responsibility.” So that's the answer.
I don't want to hear about small pooled funds for the smaller railways. I know you're interested in making sure the railways are protected, and I share that concern, but I need to get a clear answer. What is the official position of CAPP now?
Look. We're going to a million barrels a day of surplus capacity in 10 years. If every pipeline planned for this country is built, we're going to have a million barrels a day of excess capacity. It's all going to go on rail if it doesn't go on truck. So now's the time, right? We're 10 years out. You've alluded to these massive increases in shipping oil by rail and diluted bitumen by rail, so I want a really clear answer. Is CAPP prepared to participate, to go out to the market and purchase insurance, to share in the insurance? Otherwise, are Canadians supposed to say to the railway companies that they don't have to carry this stuff anymore?