Sure. We'll say, if you're late for work, you'd get 10 demerits or if you're crossing a track and you stepped on a rail.... You're not allowed to step on the rail. In the case of Mr. McDavid, he didn't have his shoelaces tied to the top eyelets. He got 10 demerits for that, so we're talking about those types of things. If you did something a second time, you might get 15 demerits, because you'd already have 10 for it, so there would be progressive discipline.
Then you get into more serious matters. We'll say if you go by a red signal, a stop signal, even if it's by 10 feet, that could be a discharge immediately. You could be discharged for that. So it varies, based on the infraction that's occurring.
Normally, what happens is there are quite a few members out there sitting at around 45 to 50 demerits, so they're just on the cusp of being disciplined. Quite frankly, it's those types of people who will not raise safety issues. They want to keep low. They want to keep out of the limelight. They want the target off their back and just to do as they're told. I think that's where the system has its problems.