Right. In terms of Air Canada in particular, you have a good, strong trade union relationship between yourselves and Air Canada. So you have managed to protect the integrity of the SMS system from the prying eyes of the outside world—some of it anyway—and from disciplinary use.
I guess the problem that some members of this committee are having is with human nature. If you're going to get punished for something, you're not going to talk about it. Safety can't be like that. It's essentially right.