Evidence of meeting #109 for Transport, Infrastructure and Communities in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was border.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Ian Hamilton  President and Chief Executive Officer, Hamilton Port Authority
Jean Aubry-Morin  Vice-President, External Relations, St. Lawrence Seaway Management Corporation
Bruce Hodgson  Director, Market Development, St. Lawrence Seaway Management Corporation
Matt Jeneroux  Edmonton Riverbend, CPC
James Given  President, Seafarers' International Union of Canada
Mike Burgess  Vice-President, Great Lakes Region, Canadian Marine Pilots Association
Claudine Couture-Trudel  Senior Director, Strategy and Communications, Great Lakes Stevedoring Co. Ltd.
Bruce Graham  Vice-President, Hamilton, Port Colborne, Great Lakes Stevedoring Co. Ltd.
Jim Weakley  President, Lake Carriers' Association
Bruce Burrows  President, Chamber of Marine Commerce
Gregg Ruhl  Chief Operating Officer, Algoma Central Corporation
Andrew Fuller  Assistant Vice-President, Domestic, Intermodal and Automotive, Canadian National Railway Company
Scott Luey  Chief Administrative Officer, City of Port Colborne
Jayesh Menon  Coordinator, Foreign Trade Zone, Niagara Region
Richard Comerford  Regional Director General, Southern Ontario Region, Canada Border Services Agency
Ron Reinas  General Manager, Buffalo and Fort Erie Public Bridge Authority
Kenneth Bieger  General Manager, Niagara Falls Bridge Commission
Verne Milot  Director, Welland/Pelham Chamber of Commerce
Patrick Robson  Professor, Niagara College, As an Individual
Tim Nohara  President and Chief Executive Officer, Accipiter Radar Technologies Inc.
Roy Timms  Board Member, Former Chair, Niagara Industrial Association
Cathie Puckering  President and Chief Executive Officer, John C. Munro Hamilton International Airport
Andy Gibbons  Director, Government Relations and Regulatory Affairs, WestJet Airlines Ltd.
Gary Long  Chief Administrative Officer, City of Welland
Stan Korosec  As an Individual
Llewellyn Holloway  Board Director, Buffalo and Fort Erie Public Bridge Authority
Ted Luciani  Mayor, City of Thorold

9 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair (Hon. Judy A. Sgro (Humber River—Black Creek, Lib.)) Liberal Judy Sgro

I'm calling to order meeting number 109 of the Standing Committee on Transport, Infrastructure and Communities. Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), we're doing a study of the Canadian transportation and logistics strategy. What would that look like and what should it look like? We're very pleased to be here in Niagara region today to start off.

Witnesses we have from 9 till 10 will be the Hamilton Port Authority, led by Mr. Hamilton, president and chief executive officer, and the St. Lawrence Seaway Management Corporation, with Jean Aubry-Morin, vice-president of external relations, and Bruce Hodgson, director of marketing development.

Welcome and thank you very much. Thank you for finding the time up here, on a wet morning, but you're used to wet mornings, without question.

We'll open it up.

Mr. Hamilton, would you like to start? You have five minutes, and then you'll be followed by our other guests. Then, we'll be doing questions and answers for the remaining time.

9 a.m.

Ian Hamilton President and Chief Executive Officer, Hamilton Port Authority

Thank you very much, Madam Chair and members of the committee. Welcome to Niagara. It's very kind of you to choose Niagara. I live right down the road, so it's the shortest commute I've had in many years.

My name is Ian Hamilton. I'm the president and CEO of the Hamilton Port Authority. The port authority is one of 18 port authorities in the country. We act as a government enterprise with a mandate to facilitate trade and manage federal assets with the exercise of good stewardship.

We're the largest port in Ontario. We have 10 million tonnes of cargo, representing $2 billion in value, supporting supply chains in steelmaking, agri-food, construction materials, petrochemicals and manufacturing. Cargo that transits the Port of Hamilton supports $6 billion in economic activity and 38,000 jobs. We employ 2,100 people on our property, on 630 acres with 130 individual tenants.

Because we're here in Niagara today, I'll focus my comments more on the Hamilton-Niagara region. Our message is pretty clear. We at the Hamilton Port Authority truly believe in the potential of the Hamilton-Niagara region. Our vision is to see the region grow into a true Canadian gateway.

In order to achieve this we need to develop multimodal industrial hubs that really capture the value of the transportation assets, integrating multimodal assets both outside and inside of the region so that everything can create a conducive network. This includes marine, of course, but also rail, air and road. I think there's a real potential on the road side to develop a mid-peninsula highway here in the region. I'll talk a bit more about that later.

This region has all the right ingredients: proximity to the United States; an active, co-operative business community; world-class educational institutions; entrepreneurially minded government representatives at the local, provincial and federal level, certainly not least of whom is Vance Badawey; industrial land to develop; and a great base of transportation infrastructure.

The last few years in Hamilton, the accessibility of investment-ready brownfield and industrial land, supported by multimodal transportation infrastructure, has been critical to our success. In the last six years, we've attracted about $350 million in third party investments in the areas of agri-food, food processing, logistics and construction materials. We've built the Port of Hamilton into a true multimodal industrial hub. In recent years, up until this year, we've actually spent almost as much on rail infrastructure as we have on marine infrastructure to create that multimodal environment.

Our challenge now in Hamilton is that we don't have capacity any longer. We have more demand for multimodal-service industrial land than the port can provide, but we believe that the Niagara region can truly help to meet some of that demand while supporting growth in the seaway traffic, increasing trade and growing the local economy.

In achieving this vision, good partners like the St. Lawrence Seaway Management Corporation are essential. In the Niagara region, the canal is vital to successfully developing a multimodal industrial hub. It needs to be efficient and reliable. The St. Lawrence Seaway Management Corporation truly delivers on that. HPA's strength is on the land development side, with expertise in this very specific market of port land development and transportation-intensive industrial land. Our two organizations complement each other very much. We share objectives of facilitating trade, maximizing the use of the marine mode, and moving more and more cargo through the Great Lakes and the St. Lawrence River.

The first step in developing a multimodal industrial hub in the Niagara-Hamilton region is the creation of a true trade gateway. It is to begin to integrate some of the transportation assets around the region and connect them to one another, both in Hamilton and elsewhere in southern Ontario. Currently, our transportation and marine-industrial land assets have fractured ownership, and many of them are underutilized. We see this as a place where the Hamilton port could bring real value by being able to integrate the various assets, invest in them and maximize the transportation infrastructure, ensuring that businesses looking for space have it and can grow.

Through the seaway review and the ports modernization review, Transport Canada has been seeking ideas about what policy or legislative changes can make the system work better. Our feedback is included, as well as several recommendations, such as ensuring that port authorities have the ability to partner with one another, and with municipalities and other entities, to acquire, lease and manage land as part of the effort to create an integrated network. Another key point is ensuring that industrial lands, essential to supporting our economic growth, are protected.

Once employment lands are gone, unfortunately they're gone forever. As we see more and more, there's increased pressure from the residential developments and municipalities to encroach on these industrial properties, which are essential to facilitating our trade.

There are some other priorities on our minds. Many in this region, including us, strongly support the mid-peninsula highway initiative and would like to see the project revisited.

The way we see it, Niagara's future prospects are brighter than ever, but that means that better goods movement is required and it has to be given more attention. The mid-peninsula highway is an important piece of the puzzle in ensuring that Niagara fulfils its potential as a true Canadian gateway.

I focus today on Niagara, but this approach to building networks of integrated assets is the right approach throughout southern Ontario, and essentially all of the country. We need to look to the future and how we are going to support the industries that are the biggest job creators, preserve the space we require for industry in the face of an ever-intensifying urban development, and make sure that the use of marine for its ability to counter congestion and reduce greenhouse gases is truly exploited.

We, at the Hamilton Port Authority, want to be part of what we see as an exciting future for economic development, trade and sustainable transportation in southern Ontario, and we believe we have a lot to offer. We are ready, experienced and motivated, and we look forward to working with you.

Thank you.

9:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Thank you very much, Mr. Hamilton.

We will go on to the St. Lawrence Seaway.

9:05 a.m.

Jean Aubry-Morin Vice-President, External Relations, St. Lawrence Seaway Management Corporation

Good morning, Chair and members of the committee. Thank you for the opportunity for the Seaway Management Corporation to make a deposition in front of the committee.

I would like to invite Mr. Hodgson to make a statement to the committee.

9:05 a.m.

Bruce Hodgson Director, Market Development, St. Lawrence Seaway Management Corporation

Thank you, Madam Chair and members, for allowing us to be here today. We believe that the St. Lawrence Seaway is a vital linchpin connecting the Great Lakes and the St. Lawrence corridor. Today, we will give you a brief overview of our operation and structure, and some of our activities within the Welland corridor.

The St. Lawrence Seaway Management Corporation is a not-for-profit corporation incorporated in 1998 under the Canada Marine Act. As part of our mandate, the SLSMC operates, manages and maintains the St. Lawrence Seaway, as well as marketing the entire Great Lakes—St. Lawrence corridor under the Hwy H2O brand. Prior to commercialization in 1998, the Canadian portion of the seaway was operated as a federal Crown corporation. The Canadian government maintains ownership of the assets, which we operate on its behalf.

The St. Lawrence Seaway is a binational operation with 13 Canadian locks operated by the SLSMC and two U.S. locks managed by the Saint Lawrence Seaway Development Corporation, a U.S. government entity. Our mission statement captures who we are. We serve our customers by passing ships through a safe, secure and reliable waterway system, in a cost-effective, efficient, and environmentally and socially responsible manner, to deliver value to the North American economy.

The Great Lakes—St. Lawrence corridor is a marine highway that extends from the Gulf of St. Lawrence to the Great Lakes, serving as a trade route to the heart of the continent. The eight states and two provinces that border the Great Lakes—St. Lawrence corridor constitute the world's third-largest economy. Just as a point of interest, within an eight-hour drive of the Great Lakes there are 150 million people, so there's access to a very sizeable market.

Since the seaway was incorporated in 1959, over 2.9 billion tonnes of cargo has moved through the waterway. We enable trade with more than 50 nations overseas globally. If we take a look at the entire waterway, from the Gulf of St. Lawrence to the head of Lake Superior, cargo moving over the waterway supports 329,000 jobs and $60 billion of economic activity in Canada and the U.S., split roughly fifty-fifty between the two countries.

Over the past 20 years, over $1 billion has been invested in asset renewal in the seaway, of which 60% has been spent in the Niagara region, generating tremendous economic activity when all spinoffs are taken into account. The recently updated Martin economic study points out that cargo moving through the Welland Canal supports approximately 50,000 jobs in Ontario, many of which are found in the Golden Horseshoe area.

Since it was established in 1998, the SLSMC has brought about substantial advancements in our operations and has met the objectives set for us by the government and our users. Thanks to the investments in asset renewal, the seaway consistently realizes a level of system availability exceeding 99%. We are a free-flow system. Our customers do not make appointments, so system availability is critical to the ongoing operation of our system.

We recently completed our modernization program, which includes hands-free mooring and remote operation of locks from our centralized operation centres. This represents the greatest advancement in seaway operations since their inception in 1959. Lock transits have become faster and safer, and the end result is that we are realizing reduced operating costs and substantially improved productivity, leading to a more competitive system. For our role in developing hands-free mooring, in 2015 we were awarded the Promising Innovation in Transport Award, sponsored by the International Transport Forum.

We've also optimized the length of our navigation system, so over the last 20 years, we've brought the navigation season to 280-plus days, and we're continually striving to lengthen it as we move forward.

We enabled the transit of a broad range of commodities, including grain, iron ore, coal, salt, potash, petroleum, liquid bulk, iron and steel, and general cargo. Last year, we handled 38.3 million tonnes of cargo, which was an increase of 9% compared to the amounts in 2016.

Under the Hwy H2O brand, we have a number of market initiatives enlisting our industry stakeholders, so we very much play a catalyst role in bringing all of them together in a coordinated effort to promote the waterway.

We offer incentive programs and have brought into the system some $37 million in new business over the last 11 years. Revenues cover our operating costs and now consistently provide a surplus, which contributes toward investments in asset renewal. This year, we're projecting cargo to be up over last year, where we should be in the $40-million range, so we continue to see positive results. However, we would say that continuing discussions on NAFTA, tariffs and trade wars make for a level of uncertainty in forecasting cargo.

From a real estate perspective, we manage the lands adjacent to the seaway on behalf of the Government of Canada. The market development team continues to bring operators and investors together to best utilize the real estate and facilities, including landholdings on the Welland Canal, to generate economic growth and employment opportunities.

Two recent examples of how this has worked are the redevelopment of the Port Weller dry docks, which provides employment and economic benefit to the region, and the expansion of wharf 12 in Port Colborne, which now facilitates container handling and allows access into the U.S. northeast market. Those were two very critical initiatives for us, working with our tenants and stakeholders. These two initiatives have brought 34 full-time jobs and 100 full-time seasonal jobs to the local Niagara economy.

With our capacity to double the amount of cargo moving through our locks and channels, we present Canadians with a means of supporting ambitious economic growth and job creation in what we consider to be a very sustainable manner.

I hope that today we've been able to show you how the seaway contributes to a strong national and international trade corridor. We strive to provide a cost-efficient trading route and are using innovative technology to become more competitive and to ensure the waterway's sustainability over the long term.

Thank you.

9:10 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Thanks very much, all of you. We appreciate your time and your comments.

We will now open this up for questions.

Mr. Jeneroux, go ahead.

9:10 a.m.

Matt Jeneroux Edmonton Riverbend, CPC

For my first comment here at committee, I want to thank Mr. Badawey for his kind hospitality in hosting us here for these two days and for everything he does for the community here.

On this side of the table, you're dealing with two prairie guys, so I'd say this is more of a fact-finding mission on our end as to how this operates. Please forgive me if some of my questions are maybe a bit naive, especially early on, as we go across the country this week.

You touched on a couple of things. In particular, Mr. Hodgson, in your presentation, you touched on some things in NAFTA that maybe we should be watching for and that would be helpful or hurtful to you, but also on some of the interprovincial challenges you face with Ontario and Quebec by being located where you are. You have a fulsome statement here in your presentation—thank you for this—on the impact for the province of Ontario. I am curious to know if this is similar within the province of Quebec. Could you comment on those two aspects?

We might be sharing our time, depending on how this goes.

9:15 a.m.

Director, Market Development, St. Lawrence Seaway Management Corporation

Bruce Hodgson

Perhaps I'll start my comments by looking at western Canada in terms of the role we play there. We compete with other gateways. That's the business we're in as the seaway and as Hwy H2O. The U.S. gulf is a very strong competitor of ours, particularly when it comes to project cargo, such as wind turbines, etc., moving internationally and then through the U.S. gulf.

Steel is another important aspect for us. Typically, we have vessels carrying steel coming in, and those vessels take grain for an export move-out. In western Canada, they're a very important link, and we work hard to make sure that we keep the steel moving in. Obviously, when we're looking at NAFTA, we have concerns around where steel tariffs or steel quotas could potentially go. That's of concern to us.

In terms of the western Canada supply chain, we work very closely not only with producers but with the railways in providing fluidity through the system.

9:15 a.m.

Edmonton Riverbend, CPC

Matt Jeneroux

You wanted to go.

9:15 a.m.

Conservative

Ron Liepert Conservative Calgary Signal Hill, AB

Yes. I'm curious to know whether your highway has any potential for oil shipments. As you well know, getting pipelines built these days is very difficult, and an awful lot of oil today is going by railcar. Is that an option?

9:15 a.m.

Director, Market Development, St. Lawrence Seaway Management Corporation

Bruce Hodgson

We've done considerable work around the feasibility of moving crude oil via the Great Lakes, and yes, it is feasible. We can be competitive. Again, we've worked very closely with the railways in developing the total supply chain. They very much look to Thunder Bay as an option, because for them it's a much flatter run. They don't like the northern Ontario line, and they can turn their cars much more quickly with a tighter loop by going via Thunder Bay. The option we've been working on is Thunder Bay, Quebec City and then transshipment into international markets. We can be competitive.

9:15 a.m.

Conservative

Ron Liepert Conservative Calgary Signal Hill, AB

Do you have the deepwater capacity to handle these ships through various channels that currently exist?

9:15 a.m.

Director, Market Development, St. Lawrence Seaway Management Corporation

Bruce Hodgson

We would be able to handle what we call a Seawaymax, which would not be the size of a Panamax, for example, that's going overseas. That's why we would be looking to transship in Quebec City. A unit train of crude oil carries about 80,000 barrels. A seaway-sized vessel is similar, 80,000 barrels.

9:15 a.m.

Conservative

Ron Liepert Conservative Calgary Signal Hill, AB

What is the size of what you're talking about?

9:15 a.m.

Director, Market Development, St. Lawrence Seaway Management Corporation

Bruce Hodgson

Our maximum would be 740 feet long.

9:15 a.m.

Conservative

Ron Liepert Conservative Calgary Signal Hill, AB

How many barrels?

9:15 a.m.

Director, Market Development, St. Lawrence Seaway Management Corporation

Bruce Hodgson

It would be 80,000 barrels.

9:15 a.m.

Conservative

Ron Liepert Conservative Calgary Signal Hill, AB

Oh, so that would get it to Quebec City. Thank you.

9:15 a.m.

Director, Market Development, St. Lawrence Seaway Management Corporation

Bruce Hodgson

That's correct.

9:15 a.m.

Vice-President, External Relations, St. Lawrence Seaway Management Corporation

Jean Aubry-Morin

Sorry to take the attention of the committee, but, to answer the question, there's also the fact that the seaway works hand in hand with Transport Canada and Fisheries and Oceans on the oceans protection plan to leverage all the advantages of the safety record of the seaway, which it's known for.

9:20 a.m.

Conservative

Ron Liepert Conservative Calgary Signal Hill, AB

Thank you.

9:20 a.m.

Edmonton Riverbend, CPC

Matt Jeneroux

Do I have time?

9:20 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

You can ask a short question.

9:20 a.m.

Edmonton Riverbend, CPC

Matt Jeneroux

Could you comment on NAFTA, since you raised it, Mr. Hodgson?

9:20 a.m.

Director, Market Development, St. Lawrence Seaway Management Corporation

Bruce Hodgson

As I was saying, steel in particular is very important to us in that, if the steel volume decreases, that could have an impact on our grain exports as well. The two go hand in hand. Our concern would be, what does the future hold for steel as far as NAFTA is concerned?