Evidence of meeting #115 for Transport, Infrastructure and Communities in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was airports.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Colin Novak  Associate Professor, University of Windsor, As an Individual
Mark Kuess  Director, Community Alliance for Air Safety
David Wojcik  President and Chief Executive Officer, Mississauga Board of Trade
Chris Isaac  As an Individual
James Castle  President, Terranova International Public Safety Canada (Terranova Aerospace)
Priscilla Tang  Senior Vice-President, Terranova International Public Safety Canada (Terranova Aerospace)
Julia Jovanovic  Ph.D. Candidate, University of Windsor, As an Individual
Matt Jeneroux  Edmonton Riverbend, CPC

10:10 a.m.

As an Individual

Chris Isaac

Yes, quite easily.

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Liberal

Angelo Iacono Liberal Alfred-Pellan, QC

How often and at what specific times of the day does this occur? Is it only during the day? Are there airplanes at night or early in the morning?

10:10 a.m.

As an Individual

Chris Isaac

It's at any time of day. The frequency varies. I haven't noted down all the days, but I've taken samples. This could easily occur 60 times a day, until 11:30 p.m.

There are also propeller aircraft, such as the Citation Sovereigns and Dash 8 Q300s and Q400s, which fly to Kuujjuaq, Chibougamau, Sept-Îles and the city of Quebec. They all pass very close to the houses.

10:10 a.m.

Liberal

Angelo Iacono Liberal Alfred-Pellan, QC

You said that you've taken samples. What exactly do you mean?

10:10 a.m.

As an Individual

Chris Isaac

I've provided appendices, but they aren't on your table yet. When you're able to check the appendices, you'll see that they show a great deal of information on the airplanes that fly over my house. This includes the series of airplanes, the times that the airplanes pass by and the flight numbers. We can really determine the types of aircraft.

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Liberal

Angelo Iacono Liberal Alfred-Pellan, QC

Have you already analyzed the noise? In other words, do you have a device to measure the noise levels?

10:10 a.m.

As an Individual

Chris Isaac

Yes. I've taken measurements using a decibel meter. As you'll recall, the people from the Aéroports de Montréal questioned the validity of my device. However, I've used the device for events where sound must be limited to a certain number of decibels, such as during Osheaga, in Montreal. The results provided by my device were comparable to the results provided by the city's devices. If the city's devices aren't good, then I wonder which devices are good. The level reaches 65 decibels and sometimes exceeds 80 decibels.

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Liberal

Angelo Iacono Liberal Alfred-Pellan, QC

Have you conducted a daily analysis using this device?

10:10 a.m.

As an Individual

Chris Isaac

I've done so a number of times.

10:10 a.m.

Liberal

Angelo Iacono Liberal Alfred-Pellan, QC

Did you also provide this data?

10:10 a.m.

As an Individual

Chris Isaac

I don't know whether it's among the photos that I provided, but I have one that shows a result of almost 72 decibels.

10:10 a.m.

Liberal

Angelo Iacono Liberal Alfred-Pellan, QC

You—

10:10 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Thank you very much, Mr. Iacono. We're out of time.

Monsieur Aubin.

10:10 a.m.

NDP

Robert Aubin NDP Trois-Rivières, QC

Thank you, Madam Chair.

I want to thank the witnesses for being here.

Mr. Isaac, I'll continue the discussion with you.

You spoke earlier about your relationship with ADM. Are you in regular contact, or was there only one meeting, which ended in the way that you described?

10:10 a.m.

As an Individual

Chris Isaac

First, I sent my requests to Mr. Iacono, who is the member of Parliament for my constituency, Alfred-Pellan. We sent a letter to ADM, and we then met with representatives of ADM. People from NAV CANADA were also at the meeting. We were told that something would be done.

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NDP

Robert Aubin NDP Trois-Rivières, QC

However, there was no follow-up

10:10 a.m.

As an Individual

Chris Isaac

There were contradictory letters, as you can see in the appendices that I provided. Certain things are proposed, but further on we're told that there's no solution.

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NDP

Robert Aubin NDP Trois-Rivières, QC

Okay.

I think that you referred to your career change, which enables you to work from home now.

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As an Individual

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NDP

Robert Aubin NDP Trois-Rivières, QC

Are you back in Laval, or were you there before?

10:10 a.m.

As an Individual

Chris Isaac

I was there already. I've always lived in Laval.

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NDP

Robert Aubin NDP Trois-Rivières, QC

You're now in a better position to actually measure the noise pollution.

10:15 a.m.

As an Individual

Chris Isaac

Yes, since I spend more time at home.

10:15 a.m.

NDP

Robert Aubin NDP Trois-Rivières, QC

Is there a difference in the neighbourhood? For example, are people selling their homes because they can't stand the noise anymore?

10:15 a.m.

As an Individual

Chris Isaac

It's quite ironic. Many people had already moved from Montreal to Laval as a result of the intolerable noise level in Montreal, and these people are currently considering moving away from Laval. I informed a technician friend about a house for sale near me, and he's already spoken to me about the issue. He told me that it makes no sense, especially since he has a baby. He could even give us his comments.

The situation is very annoying. As I was saying earlier, we citizens are careful to not make too much noise. So why can airlines barge in anywhere and impose all this noise on us?