Evidence of meeting #125 for Transport, Infrastructure and Communities in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was communities.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Matt Jeneroux  Edmonton Riverbend, CPC
François-Philippe Champagne  Minister of Infrastructure and Communities
Churence Rogers  Bonavista—Burin—Trinity, Lib.
Nick Boud  Principal Consultant, Helios

8:45 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair (Hon. Judy A. Sgro (Humber River—Black Creek, Lib.)) Liberal Judy Sgro

I'm calling to order meeting 125 of the Standing Committee on Transport, Infrastructure and Communities. Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), we are continuing a study of the mandate of the Minister of Infrastructure and Communities.

With us today we have the Honourable François-Philippe Champagne, Minister of Infrastructure and Communities, and from the Office of Infrastructure Canada, Kelly Gillis, Deputy Minister, Infrastructure and Communities. Welcome to you both. We've been waiting anxiously for your appearance, so thank you for coming today.

Minister Champagne, I'll turn it over to you.

8:45 a.m.

Matt Jeneroux Edmonton Riverbend, CPC

Madam Chair, sorry, just as a bit of housekeeping before we get to the minister's much anticipated comments, I'm hoping he'll address in his opening remarks that he wasn't here for the estimates. I know he's here on his mandate letter today, but I just want to make sure we've flagged the fact that most of the time, ministers come for their supplementary estimates as well.

Thank you.

8:45 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Thank you, Mr. Jeneroux.

Minister Champagne, you have five minutes, please.

8:45 a.m.

François-Philippe Champagne Minister of Infrastructure and Communities

Thank you, Madam Chair.

It's a real pleasure to be in front of you and your colleagues today.

It's my first appearance at this committee, but as a start, I am very delighted to be with all of you and to talk about progress in infrastructure. I think, Madam Chair, that infrastructure touches the lives of Canadians in every community, whether urban or rural.

Good morning and thank you for inviting me, members of the committee.

I'm joined by Kelly Gillis, my very able deputy minister, who has been very active on this file to deliver for Canadians.

I'd like to start by acknowledging the outstanding work of my predecessor, Minister Sohi. Minister Sohi was responsible for this file, and we all know he's truly passionate about infrastructure, almost as much as he is about his hometown of Edmonton. He left a good legacy in the projects and the program. He's been a strong voice for his region, and obviously the province of Alberta, and continues to be in his new portfolio as Minister of Natural Resources.

I would also like to thank my Deputy Minister, and the whole department of Infrastructure Canada for their hard work and dedication over the past three years. Thanks to their continued efforts, we have made enormous progress in delivering modern infrastructure to Canadians everywhere in the country.

Let me give a brief overview. Since I was appointed Minister of Infrastructure and Communities, I was fortunate enough to see first-hand our investments in infrastructure across the country. I recently attended the groundbreaking for the Port Lands flood protection project in Toronto, which will help transform the Port Lands into beautiful new communities that will be surrounded by parks and green spaces. It will also add affordable housing to the Toronto region.

I also visited the Inuvik wind generation project in the Northwest Territories, which will provide an efficient, reliable and clean source of energy for Inuvik residents. I was pleased that this was the first project under the Arctic energy fund, which is helping to move communities in the north from diesel to renewable energy.

I also visited an underground garage in Montreal that will increase the city's fleet of metro cars, improve the frequency of service, and, of course, support the anticipated growth in ridership on Montreal's public transit.

Let me briefly touch on a few successes that we've had so far. Our plan of investing $180 billion over the next decade in infrastructure across the country is truly historic. I am proud of the progress we have made so far and the positive impact it has made on people across the country. The plan is being delivered by 14 federal departments and agencies.

All 70 new programs and initiatives are now launched and more than 32,000 infrastructure projects have already been approved. Nearly all are underway.

Since Minister Sohi's last appearance at this committee in May, I am pleased to note some of the significant milestones we have achieved together. The first one, which I'm very proud of, is the smart cities challenge. Finalists were announced this summer, and the winners will be announced in late spring 2019.

The Canada Infrastructure Bank announced its first investment, which is $1.28 billion in the Réseau express métropolitain in Montreal. With this investment, the bank does exactly what it was intended to do: free up grant funding so that we can build more infrastructure for Canadians.

Despite the fact that very little was done to advance this important project when we formed government, the Gordie Howe international bridge is now finally under way. That is truly historic for Canada. We know the Windsor-Detroit corridor has about 30% of all merchandise trade between Canada and the United States. This project is truly building on our current and future prosperity.

Infrastructure Canada has also signed bilateral agreements with all of the provinces and territories for the next decade. We have already approved funding under these new guidelines for

the Green Line in Calgary, the Millennium Line extension in British Columbia,

and Azur subway trains for Montreal,

and the water treatment system in the Comox Valley Regional District in British Columbia.

Lastly, we also launched the disaster mitigation and adaptation fund. We've already received a number of applications for funding and are currently reviewing them.

I also had the pleasure to meet with my provincial and territorial counterparts in September. One key item we discussed was how to better match the flow of our funding and our processes with the construction season in the sense that we want to make our intake, review and approval process faster and better, and make sure that our processes, whether federal, provincial or territorial, are in line with the construction season. I have impressed on my colleagues that we need to work diligently on that.

I visited several projects where work is well under way, but the claims for reimbursements have not been submitted, for example the Cherry Street water and lake-filling project in Toronto and the Côte-Vertu garage in Montreal, Quebec. To address this issue, we recently launched a pilot project with Saskatchewan, Nova Scotia and Alberta to test the effectiveness of a progressive billing approach. We know that Canadians want to see funds that match milestones in projects, a “percentage of completion” type of approach, and we have asked our colleagues in the provinces to work with us to achieve that outcome as well.

In closing, I would like to thank the committee members for giving me this opportunity to update you. I hope that together, with each member of the committee, we will be able to build 21st-century infrastructures, modern, durable and green, for all Canadians.

Thank you.

8:55 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Thank you very much, Minister Champagne. We appreciate all of your comments, and the fact that you kept them to five minutes so that the committee can ask the umpteen questions they have for you.

Mr. Jeneroux.

8:55 a.m.

Edmonton Riverbend, CPC

Matt Jeneroux

Thank you, Madam Chair, and thank you, Minister, for being here today.

Have you heard from stakeholders, who I know you meet with frequently, about the social impacts of male construction workers, specifically in rural areas?

8:55 a.m.

Minister of Infrastructure and Communities

François-Philippe Champagne

One group of people I meet most often is construction workers. They are the true heroes of what we're doing. I was just recently on the Champlain Bridge in Montreal. I can say to my colleague that when I met the 1,600 workers who are working seven days a week, day and night, in good and bad weather, I really listened to them. I always made sure to repeat to them that my first priority on every construction site is the health and safety of the people and the benefits to the community in which they work.

8:55 a.m.

Edmonton Riverbend, CPC

Matt Jeneroux

I know you know this, Minister, but Montreal is not a rural area. My specific question was about rural areas. The Prime Minister recently made a statement that there are negative social impacts of men, specifically construction workers, in rural areas. I'm wondering if you've heard the same thing.

8:55 a.m.

Minister of Infrastructure and Communities

François-Philippe Champagne

The member is right. I was referring to an urban project, but since we have more than 4,000 projects across the country, he would appreciate that I do that not only in urban areas, but also in rural areas. I always engage with workers, making sure I understand about their health and safety and the benefits to the community in which they operate. I was recently with the member at the Fort Edmonton Park extension, and we met with workers and people who are going to be doing the work there, and everywhere they are—

8:55 a.m.

Edmonton Riverbend, CPC

Matt Jeneroux

Again, Minister, Edmonton is not a rural area. I'm speaking specifically about rural areas and the Prime Minister's comments. Yes or no, do you agree with the Prime Minister's comments?

8:55 a.m.

Minister of Infrastructure and Communities

François-Philippe Champagne

I appreciate that Edmonton is not a rural area, just as Montreal is not, but everywhere I go, whether it's rural or urban, I meet with workers and I make sure I listen to them. I engage with them, because they are the true heroes of our infrastructure projects across the country.

8:55 a.m.

Edmonton Riverbend, CPC

Matt Jeneroux

It was a yes or no, Minister. The Prime Minister made a comment this past weekend. Did you agree with his comments?

8:55 a.m.

Minister of Infrastructure and Communities

François-Philippe Champagne

As I said, again, my role is to ensure that across the country we build infrastructure for the 21st century that is modern, resilient and green, and obviously the workers across the country, male or female, are key in delivering for Canadians across the country.

8:55 a.m.

Edmonton Riverbend, CPC

Matt Jeneroux

I'll ask this in a different way, Minister. Does applying the—

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Mr. Jeneroux, I think you've beaten that issue up a little bit.

8:55 a.m.

Edmonton Riverbend, CPC

Matt Jeneroux

Madam Chair, it's my time. I'm allowed to ask whatever question I wish during my time.

8:55 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

You cannot be repetitive on the same issue.

8:55 a.m.

Edmonton Riverbend, CPC

Matt Jeneroux

Madam Chair, I ask you to first of all pause the time, and to quote from which standing order it is that says I'm not allowed to ask a repetitive question.

8:55 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Would you like me to read it?

8:55 a.m.

Edmonton Riverbend, CPC

8:55 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

In Procedure and Practice, at pages 1058-9, it's any time that it is “repetitive or are unrelated to the matter before” us. It's the issue of being repetitive. It's the third time that you've tried to get the same question on the table.

8:55 a.m.

Edmonton Riverbend, CPC

Matt Jeneroux

It was the second time, Madam Chair, and I wouldn't say that. I'm asking it in a different way this time.

Allow me to ask the questions, please. We only have six minutes here to ask the questions.

8:55 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Yes.

8:55 a.m.

Edmonton Riverbend, CPC

Matt Jeneroux

Does applying the gender lens that the Prime Minister refers to then affect infrastructure getting built on time?

8:55 a.m.

Minister of Infrastructure and Communities

François-Philippe Champagne

I would say that applying a gender lens is key in every program and project that we're delivering. Understanding the impact on different communities and on different people who will be working on our sites is essential—and on the community—so I think it's a great step forward for our country that we take into account the gender lens. Also, as part of the historic $180-billion infrastructure plan, we have also, as the member knows, not only applied that lens but also put on an environmental lens to understand the impacts of our projects.

The more we understand how to deliver for communities across Canada, I think we're all better as Canadians.