Evidence of meeting #14 for Transport, Infrastructure and Communities in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was rail.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Fred Gaspar  Chief Compliance Officer, Canadian Transportation Agency
Randall Meades  Chief Strategy Officer, Canadian Transportation Agency
Kathy Fox  Chair, Transportation Safety Board of Canada
Jean Laporte  Chief Operating Officer, Transportation Safety Board of Canada
Kirby Jang  Director, Investigations Rail and Pipeline, Transportation Safety Board of Canada
Laureen Kinney  Assistant Deputy Minister, Safety and Security, Department of Transport
Brigitte Diogo  Director General, Rail Safety, Department of Transport
Benoit Turcotte  Acting Director General, Department of Transport

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

Dianne Lynn Watts Conservative South Surrey—White Rock, BC

So, of the 500, does every single city and municipality know where their high-risk crossings are?

5:25 p.m.

Director General, Rail Safety, Department of Transport

Brigitte Diogo

The information we have in our database has all the crossings ranked from 1 to 22,000. That information was made public by the minister on April 28.

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

Dianne Lynn Watts Conservative South Surrey—White Rock, BC

Is this posted on a website, as opposed to being engaged with the community?

5:25 p.m.

Director General, Rail Safety, Department of Transport

Brigitte Diogo

Yes, and in addition, when we become aware of a safety issue, we do engage proactively with municipalities.

5:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Ms. Kinney.

May 16th, 2016 / 5:25 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Safety and Security, Department of Transport

Laureen Kinney

My apologies, but would it be possible to make a minor correction to some of the comments that Ms. Diogo made? She just wanted to correct something that she said in the previous statement. It's very short.

5:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Yes, please do.

5:25 p.m.

Director General, Rail Safety, Department of Transport

Brigitte Diogo

It's regarding my answer in French earlier in terms of the qualifications of the RCLS, remote control locomotive systems, operator. I indicated in French that they had to be trained as a locomotive engineer. In fact, they are, according to regulation, trained and qualified by the railways to use the technology in addition to being trained as a conductor/foreman, not a locomotive engineer.

5:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Thank you very much, Ms. Diogo.

Mr. Fraser.

5:25 p.m.

Liberal

Sean Fraser Liberal Central Nova, NS

On the issue of remote devices. I understand there is a risk assessment process in place.

Has the use of remote devices ever been rejected after having gone through the risk assessment process?

5:30 p.m.

Director General, Rail Safety, Department of Transport

Brigitte Diogo

There are no specific requirements for a risk assessment related to the RCLS technology. Under the SMS regulations, when there are significant changes to operations, the railway companies are required to notify Transport Canada and to conduct a risk assessment. We can require those risk assessments.

The use of the technology is not something that Transport Canada approves on a one-to-one basis.

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

Sean Fraser Liberal Central Nova, NS

When a risk assessment is provided, what does Transport Canada actually do with it?

5:30 p.m.

Director General, Rail Safety, Department of Transport

Brigitte Diogo

When we receive a risk assessment or where we go on site to review a risk assessment, that informs our enforcement inspection planning. It is required to bring other parts of the program together and determining whether, in having a conversation with the railway, the risk assessment is sufficient in our view in mitigating risk.

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

Sean Fraser Liberal Central Nova, NS

If it's not, can you not reject the use of the remote device?

5:30 p.m.

Director General, Rail Safety, Department of Transport

Brigitte Diogo

There is no direct link between the two and, yes, we can take other actions.

5:30 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Safety and Security, Department of Transport

Laureen Kinney

I would like to add to that. If there is an unsafe action of any kind that was not adequately assessed in the risk assessment, there are several different authorities under which the inspector and/or the department or minister can take action—and that is, without hesitation, what we would do.

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Thank you all very much for the valuable information. We look forward to hearing some comments back from you when we table our final report.

To the committee members, I understand that there has been some discussion. The Prime Minister is making an announcement on Wednesday, so we would start at 3:45 rather than 3:30.

Is that agreed?

5:30 p.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

5:30 p.m.

NDP

Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

Is the announcement in the House?

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

It's in the House, so there might be a slight delay in our starting time.

The other issue is regarding the drafting instructions. Please come with those instructions for our analyst on Wednesday, as she will be starting to prepare the report, and be ready to talk about future business.

We will also get a note from the clerk regarding Lac Mégantic and the particulars of that trip very shortly.

5:30 p.m.

NDP

Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

The timing of when we can get to the airport in Montreal is really important.

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

The clerk is working on that. I suggest that you talk to him.

5:30 p.m.

NDP

Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

That will determine whether some of us can go or not.

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

I suggest that you speak to the clerk.

If there's no further business, I will adjourn the meeting.