I actually look at this outside of the Montreal-Halifax corridor. A lot of that traffic now goes by train. I know you get into issues sometimes of double-stacking and having to unload to go under underpasses, etc.—the infrastructure.
I look at the north, the Arctic sealift that happens every year with some of our partner companies. They do move some empty containers. The issue is that right now if those containers need to be moved, they can be moved by a foreign ship. They apply for a waiver with the CTA. That waiver application goes out to all the Canadian companies, and it asks whether they have a Canadian-flag vessel that can do this work. If they reply no, then the foreign-flag vessel gets its permit to move whatever they need to move. It's not stopped. Commerce is not stopped because of cabotage.
Another part of the issue that you have to look at is whether a Canadian would do it if there was revenue there. I don't know. I can't speak on behalf of the shipping companies. Knowing the shipping companies the way I do, I'm sure that if there was a buck to be made they would do it.
When you look at the non-revenue basis, they say it costs $2,000 to move an empty container on a Canadian ship and $400 on a foreign ship. Well, absolutely. If we want to give the okay to the exploitation of foreign crew and to the non-payment of taxes and to the non-payment of everything else, you can move a container for $400. Personally, I don't think that's what Canada is all about.