If we had a crystal ball now and were to look at our roads in 2030, which is only 13 years from now, I think we would all be a bit surprised at how this disruptive new technology has implanted itself on our roads in the country, and hopefully for the better. I would say to you that my sense, from following what's happening with the development of autonomous vehicles, is that the business forces are already very actively pushing this.
We've all heard of Tesla, but as you know, there are many other companies. Audi is another example, but Google, Apple, the Big Three, and many European companies such as BMW and others are all scrambling, because they want to own as big a part of that market as possible. I think they are highly motivated. We don't know.
We can have a discussion about the availability of ZEVs, but that's a different discussion. On autonomous vehicles, I think they are self-motivated, and they are developing these. Of course, they know their success will be that it has to be safe, cleaner, and provide all the advantages, which we believe will be accessibility and those kinds of things. I think there are enough motivational forces in play. We don't need to coax them along too much on that.