Yes, see, it's an interesting thing, because again, we looked around for....
Is it the same study, Ms. Saxe? Yes.
Now, there isn't pulp and paper anymore, so we looked around for industries that were calling for that specifically. We looked at Rio Tinto. We looked at the major likely folks, and we couldn't find anybody who said that they move shipments in.
Is it the mix of persistent and non-persistent that's the problem? We're only looking at and trying to limit one category and not the other.