Nav Canada is a fee-for-service company after being privatized, and it recovers its money from those fees to airlines. As the number of flights has dropped, in order for Nav Canada to be able to maintain a certain level of service it has to charge even higher fees. That's why we're asking for a grant for Nav Canada, not a loan, because a loan would result in higher fees to airlines down the road, and that's certainly not going to help anybody.
At the same time, the higher fees are not enough to sustain its workforce. They're having about a $750-million-a-year deficit. For every year that this pandemic goes on, Nav Canada's budget is having a shortfall by that amount.