I'm not sure I know that quote, but I'll answer a question about safety management systems and the importance that I think they play.
As I mentioned earlier, a safety management system really is a way of mainstreaming day-to-day safety within a railway company. It's a framework that lists goals and targets, but it's a framework for safety thinking.
It really is about thinking about safety in every action that's taken within a railway company, but it also has a preventative component, in that it needs to identify issues before accidents happen. It's thus very important that a safety management system be effective at enhancing the overall culture of safety, but also at taking a preventative approach to what it's meant to do.
The audits that Transport Canada does on the safety management system should be looking at whether or not they are effective within each railway company at improving safety. This is a really important aspect of the overall safety culture.