Evidence of meeting #145 for Transport, Infrastructure and Communities in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was baggage.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Alexis von Hoensbroech  Chief Executive Officer, WestJet Airlines Ltd.
Annick Guérard  President and Chief Executive Officer, Transat A.T. Inc.
Michael Deluce  Chief Executive Officer, Porter Airlines Inc.
Andrew Gibbons  Vice-President, External Affairs, WestJet Airlines Ltd.
Michael Rousseau  President and Chief Executive Officer, Air Canada
Gábor Lukács  President, Air Passenger Rights
Mark Galardo  Executive Vice-President, Revenue and Network Planning and President, Cargo, Air Canada
David Rheault  Vice-President, Government and Community Relations, Air Canada

1:55 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, WestJet Airlines Ltd.

Alexis von Hoensbroech

Families can sit together with no charge.

The Chair Liberal Peter Schiefke

Thank you very much.

Next, I will turn the floor over to Mr. Lawrence.

You have three minutes, sir.

1:55 p.m.

Conservative

Philip Lawrence Conservative Northumberland—Peterborough South, ON

Mr. von Hoensbroech, did you have anything else? Did you just want to finish off the response to Ms. Dance?

1:55 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, WestJet Airlines Ltd.

Alexis von Hoensbroech

I just wanted to say that we try to seat families together. If they could not be seated together for whatever reason, they can change their seats with no cost.

1:55 p.m.

Conservative

Philip Lawrence Conservative Northumberland—Peterborough South, ON

The balance of my time I'll spend with you, Mr. Deluce.

We heard from WestJet that high fees and the carbon tax are preventing air passenger travel. My question is more with respect to competition.

Porter has been able to do what many thought was impossible—just like WestJet, I guess, as well—which was to break into the air market. If, in fact, fees were decreased and if the carbon tax was removed and was more favourable, do you think that another Porter airline would have an easier route than you had?

1:55 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, Porter Airlines Inc.

Michael Deluce

Yes, absolutely.

As highlighted by other members here today, the tax environment is very onerous on travellers in Canada. With a lower tax regime, there would be a significant increase in overall passenger traffic, which would make it easier for new competitors and carriers with different financial models to enter the market, even those different from Porter, including ultralow-cost carriers, which really depend on low fares stimulating traffic.

1:55 p.m.

Conservative

Philip Lawrence Conservative Northumberland—Peterborough South, ON

Thank you, and thank you for travelling. We really appreciate it.

Thank you for your testimony as well.

The Chair Liberal Peter Schiefke

Thank you very much, Mr. Lawrence.

We'll turn the floor over to Mr. Iacono for three minutes.

Angelo Iacono Liberal Alfred-Pellan, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

My questions are addressed to all three airline companies. I would like short answers of yes or no, and a few words, please. To every airline: Was your airline company bailed out during COVID, and by whom?

Go ahead, WestJet.

1:55 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, WestJet Airlines Ltd.

Alexis von Hoensbroech

No, we didn't receive any government money during COVID.

Angelo Iacono Liberal Alfred-Pellan, QC

Go ahead, Air Transat.

2 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Transat A.T. Inc.

Annick Guérard

Yes, we did receive money from the government.

2 p.m.

Liberal

Angelo Iacono Liberal Alfred-Pellan, QC

From who?

2 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Transat A.T. Inc.

Annick Guérard

It was from the federal government, through loans.

2 p.m.

Liberal

Angelo Iacono Liberal Alfred-Pellan, QC

Go ahead, Porter.

2 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, Porter Airlines Inc.

Michael Deluce

Yes, it was from federal government, through loans.

2 p.m.

Liberal

Angelo Iacono Liberal Alfred-Pellan, QC

Thank you.

WestJet, did your employees not get any money from the federal government?

2 p.m.

Vice-President, External Affairs, WestJet Airlines Ltd.

Andrew Gibbons

We received the Canadian emergency—

2 p.m.

Liberal

Angelo Iacono Liberal Alfred-Pellan, QC

Thank you. You did receive one. That's all I want to know, a yes or no.

2 p.m.

Vice-President, External Affairs, WestJet Airlines Ltd.

Andrew Gibbons

Yes. I'm answering it as you asked.

2 p.m.

Liberal

Angelo Iacono Liberal Alfred-Pellan, QC

I want you to just give me a yes or no.

Do you truly believe that this is acceptable, at a time when Canadians' pocketbooks are hurting and when they've been saving for their travels, for you to react this way? When you were having a hard time, the Government of Canada bailed you out financially. Is that correct, to each airline? Was it directly or indirectly? Was it through you, directly, through a company or through your employees? Did the Government of Canada bail you out when you were having a hard time? Give a yes or no, please.

2 p.m.

Vice-President, External Affairs, WestJet Airlines Ltd.

Andrew Gibbons

Sir, we testified today that we've passed savings on to consumers, so I don't understand what you're asking about.

2 p.m.

Liberal

Angelo Iacono Liberal Alfred-Pellan, QC

Thank you.

Porter, go ahead.

2 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, Porter Airlines Inc.

Michael Deluce

I'm not sure what the question is. I'm sorry, but can you repeat it?

Angelo Iacono Liberal Alfred-Pellan, QC

When you were having a hard time, did the Government of Canada bail you out?