Evidence of meeting #46 for Transport, Infrastructure and Communities in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was passengers.

A video is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

David Rheault  Vice-President, Government and Community Relations, Air Canada
Kevin O'Connor  Vice-President, System Operations Control, Air Canada
Len Corrado  President, Sunwing Airlines
Andrew Gibbons  Vice-President, External Affairs, WestJet Airlines Ltd.
Scott Wilson  Vice-President, Flight Operations, WestJet Airlines Ltd.
Andrew Dawson  President of Tour Operations, Sunwing Travel Group, Sunwing Airlines
Jared Mikoch-Gerke  Director, Government Relations and Regulatory Affairs, WestJet Airlines Ltd.
Philippe Rainville  President and Chief Executive Officer, Aéroports de Montréal
Deborah Flint  President and Chief Executive Officer, Greater Toronto Airports Authority
Tamara Vrooman  President and Chief Executive Officer, Vancouver Airport Authority

12:50 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Vancouver Airport Authority

Tamara Vrooman

Starting on December 18 and throughout the week to the 23rd and beyond, to the 27th, we had full irregular operations and emergency operations plans stood up throughout.

On the specific issue of delays on the tarmac, of course our number one priority was to be able to work with the airlines, with ground crews, to get those passengers safely off as soon as possible. As I mentioned earlier, that effort requires coordination and the capability to tow aircraft. The airport authority does not have that authority, that capability or that responsibility; that is the responsibility of the airlines, so we rely on airlines, through their contracted ground handling crew, to move aircraft off gates. Normally, of course, that works very well. They come on to a gate and they move off. In this case, we came to a ground stop and we had no gating capability, as was noted.

You might wonder, though, why we didn't use air stairs. I've been asked several times why we didn't have buses and air stairs available. We certainly stood up buses and air stair capabilities immediately. However, it was the opinion of our airside safety officer that due to the congested conditions on the airfield and the snow, it was unsafe to have passengers depart. We evaluated that situation on an hourly basis until the conditions improved such that we could safely deplane people using air stairs, and then we proceeded to do that, thus clearing up the congestion.

I totally agree that delays for that amount of time are unacceptable, which is why we've put the changes in place that will require that aircraft be on the gate for only a limited time and that airlines demonstrate to us that they have the towing capacity to remove those aircraft.

12:50 p.m.

NDP

Taylor Bachrach NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

Ms. Vrooman, you've pointed to towing capacity as one of the constraints that prevented you from getting those passengers off the aircraft and said that towing capacity is the responsibility of the airline. Were those tow vehicles able to access the gate, given the amount of snow and appreciating that snow removal is the responsibility of the airport?

12:50 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Vancouver Airport Authority

Tamara Vrooman

Absolutely. We cleared the taxiways, the runways and the aprons for towing as a priority. That actually created some issues with respect to baggage handling, because we prioritized towing.

12:50 p.m.

NDP

Taylor Bachrach NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

If I hear you correctly, Ms. Vrooman, you made it so that the tow vehicles were able to access the gates and the aircraft, but the airlines chose not to tow the aircraft, which is what was required in order for people to deplane.

12:50 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Vancouver Airport Authority

Tamara Vrooman

I wouldn't say they chose not to; I would say they had capacity constraints in respect to doing that.

Of course, as we heard from the carriers, it is in everyone's interest to get those passengers off the planes as soon as possible, but we had a weather event here, which meant it was difficult for some staff, ground handling staff, to get into the airport. That is an area that struggles with retention of labour, and we already had maximum overtime hours being recorded across our seven contracted ground handlers. That combination made a scarcity of both equipment and staff, meaning it was difficult to tow aircraft in the usual and timely way.

12:50 p.m.

NDP

Taylor Bachrach NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

With respect to preparedness, I know YVR has a climate plan. I'm curious as to whether that climate plan includes strategies around adaptation and extreme weather events, understanding that extreme weather is going to become a more frequent reality.

Prior to the incident we're discussing, did YVR have contingency plans for snowstorms, and if so, what weather parameters were those contingency plans based on?

12:55 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Vancouver Airport Authority

Tamara Vrooman

Yes, we have a climate plan, and it includes resiliency and adaptation. As I mentioned, that includes.... For example, we are located on a flood plain, and while snow is difficult for an airport, water is equally so. During the atmospheric river we were the only transportation hub in the province that was fully functional for those 10 days, and that was because of the work we did to strengthen our drainage, diking and ditch system.

When it comes to snow, we plan for snow. We had a significant snow event that shut down our region on November 29. The airport remained operational throughout, save for a brief period on the north runway, when we had an EVA aircraft that was stopped for a short period of time.

We stress-test against forecasts. We discuss those forecasts with our airport community, which includes carriers, CATSA and CBSA—all of those that come together to support, look at the forecast, and adjust—

12:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Schiefke

Thank you very much, Ms. Vrooman, and thank you very much, Mr. Bachrach.

Next we have Mr. Doherty.

Mr. Doherty, the floor is yours. You have five minutes.

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

Thank you, Mr. Chair. The majority of my questions will be for Ms. Vrooman.

Like many Canadians and Christmastime travellers, I was stuck in the Vancouver airport, waiting for a rescheduled flight. I sat with my wife on an aircraft. I was one of the fortunate ones. We were on the aircraft for only four and a half hours, waiting for de-icing fluid. The pilot came on and said that YVR wanted to hold on to the passengers a bit longer as they had run out of de-icing fluid.

Ms. Vrooman, you have a fancy video, which closes by stating: Let it snow. We're ready for winter at YVR.

Aéro Mag conducts your de-icing services at YVR. I'm very familiar with airport ecosystems. They have 15 de-icing trucks and 10 communal de-icing bays. How can they run out of de-icing fluid?

12:55 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Vancouver Airport Authority

Tamara Vrooman

I'm sorry to hear about your experience. It's obviously not the one that we would want, particularly at that time of year.

As I said, at no point did we or Aéro Mag run out of de-icing fluid. What does happen, though, as you're very familiar with.... You know that it's constant communication when de-icing is happening, and we did have a period where we had a combination of snow accumulation, ice and freezing rain—

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

I'm sorry to cut you off again. I have only five minutes.

It was a clear day, and they ran out of de-icing fluid. We were in the de-icing line, and Aéro Mag had to return.... The comment was, why do you always run out of de-icing fluid?

12:55 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Vancouver Airport Authority

Tamara Vrooman

I can't speak to that comment. We certainly did not run out of de-icing fluid. As you might imagine, you have to go and refill the trucks from time to time depending on—

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

How many trucks does Aéro Mag have? Do they still have 15 de-icing trucks?

12:55 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Vancouver Airport Authority

Tamara Vrooman

They have several. I can get that exact number for you.

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

Can you do that by the end of the day, please?

12:55 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Vancouver Airport Authority

Tamara Vrooman

Of course.

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

Thank you.

Ms. Vrooman, there are 1,322 non-stop destinations weekly that YVR serves throughout the world. Is that correct?

12:55 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Vancouver Airport Authority

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

In B.C. alone, there are 518 non-stop flights per week. Is that correct?

12:55 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Vancouver Airport Authority

Tamara Vrooman

That sounds about right, yes.

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

That includes also medevac and air ambulance.

12:55 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Vancouver Airport Authority

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

Were there medevac and air ambulance flights that were cancelled or delayed during this time and was there any loss of life or were medical services denied or delayed?

12:55 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Vancouver Airport Authority

Tamara Vrooman

I am aware of no loss of life, no denial of medical services and full operation of medevac flights.

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

Okay.

It has been said a number of times now that there is a shared responsibility going back and forth. One of the challenges that airports face is in ramping up, obviously, and the restricted area ramp passes throughout the whole ecosystem that is served. Is the aviation industry still facing some of these challenges?