The House is on summer break, scheduled to return Sept. 15

Evidence of meeting #3 for Transport, Infrastructure and Communities in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was federal.

A video is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Chrystia Freeland  Minister of Transport and Internal Trade
Dominic LeBlanc  Minister responsible for Canada-U.S. Trade, Intergovernmental Affairs and One Canadian Economy
Rebecca Alty  Minister of Crown-Indigenous Relations
Jackson  Director, Clean Growth Office, Privy Council Office
Fox  Deputy Clerk of the Privy Council and Deputy Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs, Privy Council Office
Sonea  Director, Advocacy, Canadian Cancer Society
Cunningham  Senior Policy Analyst, Canadian Cancer Society
Ahmad Khan  Director General, Québec and Atlantic Canada, David Suzuki Foundation
Chartrand  President, National Government of the Red River Métis, Manitoba Métis Federation
Chief Trevor Mercredi  Treaty 8 First Nations of Alberta
Johnson  Director of Government Relations and Communications, Carpenters' Regional Council
Schumann  Canadian Government Affairs Director, International Union of Operating Engineers
Cyr  Managing Partner, Raven Indigenous Outcomes Funds
Sheldon Sunshine  Sturgeon Lake Cree Nation
Hatch  Vice President, Government Relations, Canadian Credit Union Association
Martin  Senior Director, Public Affairs & Corporate Counsel, Canadian Meat Council
Lance Haymond  Kebaowek First Nation
Exner-Pirot  Director, Energy, Natural Resources and Environment, Macdonald-Laurier Institute
Ritchot  Assistant Deputy Minister, Intergovernmental Affairs, Privy Council Office

11:45 p.m.

Conservative

Philip Lawrence Conservative Northumberland—Clarke, ON

I have a point of order. I'm not exactly sure how to do this, but I'd like to do it efficiently. The Conservatives would also like to add four or five different acts as well.

11:45 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Albas Conservative Okanagan Lake West—South Kelowna, BC

I think we have to do this first.

The Chair Liberal Peter Schiefke

Why don't we dispose of this first, and then I'll turn it back over to you.

Mr. Kelloway, do you want to speak to the subamendment?

Mike Kelloway Liberal Sydney—Glace Bay, NS

I could barely hear what Mr. Lawrence was saying, but I just want clarification. Are there more things to be added?

A voice

Not on the subamendment.

The Chair Liberal Peter Schiefke

So far, Mr. Barsalou-Duval has read his subamendment into the record. I believe it has been circulated, but I wanted confirmation from members that they do indeed have that subamendment. Do I have confirmation from members that you do have it?

A voice

We haven't distributed it.

The Chair Liberal Peter Schiefke

It hasn't been distributed yet. That's what I wanted confirmation on.

Stéphane Lauzon Liberal Argenteuil—La Petite-Nation, QC

Mr. Chair, can we suspend for a second to make sure that we have the subamendment?

The Chair Liberal Peter Schiefke

The clerks are going to ensure that everybody has a copy of the subamendment as proposed by Mr. Barsalou-Duval in both official languages. We're going to try and get that out as soon as humanly possible, because we are looking at a clock that is ticking quite quickly.

Stéphane Lauzon Liberal Argenteuil—La Petite-Nation, QC

I need to read it in French.

The Chair Liberal Peter Schiefke

I will suspend, and we'll get that to you very quickly, colleagues.

The Chair Liberal Peter Schiefke

I call this meeting back to order.

Colleagues, you should have all received the subamendment proposed by Mr. Barsalou-Duval in both official languages. I don't see any other debate on this, so we will go to a vote.

(Subamendment agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

Now we will go to CPC-11, as amended.

11:50 p.m.

Conservative

Philip Lawrence Conservative Northumberland—Clarke, ON

We have a subamendment as well. We wanted to add—and because we've got new letters here, this won't be accurate—the Auditor General Act, the Extractive Sector Transparency Measures Act, the Railway Safety Act, the Trade Unions Act, the Explosives Act and the Hazardous Products Act.

The Chair Liberal Peter Schiefke

I'm being asked by the legislative clerk to suspend to see if it's procedurally valid. We'll try and get this done, colleagues, before 11:59, because if it is not submitted by then, we won't be able to do it.

The meeting is suspended.

The Chair Liberal Peter Schiefke

I call this meeting back to order.

The legislative clerks have informed me that it is procedurally valid. That's the first point.

We do not have—correct me if I'm wrong—an official translation yet.

There was an issue with the subamendment that was moved by Mr. Barsalou-Duval and adopted. The legislative clerk wants me to read into the record “Use of French in Federally Regulated Private Businesses Act”. That's been read into the record. Thank you.

Colleagues, are we prepared to speak to Mr. Lawrence's subamendment?

11:55 p.m.

Conservative

Philip Lawrence Conservative Northumberland—Clarke, ON

Just call the vote.

The Chair Liberal Peter Schiefke

We'll go to a vote on Mr. Lawrence's subamendment.

(Subamendment agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

Now we will go to a vote on CPC-11 as amended.

(Amendment as amended agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

Now we're going to go back to CPC-10, colleagues, and according to the motion that was adopted by the House, it is now 11:59, and we've reached the point where there will no longer be any debate on any of the motions that we will be voting on. We will just go directly to a vote with no subamendments either.

Colleagues, we will now be voting on CPC-10.

(Amendment agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

Next we have PV-11. If PV-11 is adopted, NDP-30 and BQ-24 cannot be moved due to a line conflict.

(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])

We will vote on NDP-30. If NDP-30 is adopted, BQ-24 cannot be moved due to a line conflict.

(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])

BQ-24 has a line conflict with PV-11 and NDP-30.

(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])

We're on NDP-31, colleagues.

(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])

We have PV-12.

(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])

We have NDP-32.

(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])

We will now move on to BQ‑25.

(Amendment agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

We will now move on to BQ‑26.

(Amendment agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

We have NDP-33.

(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])

The next vote is on BQ-27.

(Amendment agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

We will vote on NDP-34.

(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])

We will now vote on BQ-28.

(Amendment agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

We are on BQ-29.

(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])

The next vote is NDP-35.

(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])

We will vote on BQ-30.

(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])

Colleagues, we have reached NDP-36. I have to read the following decision: Bill C-5 seeks to enact the building Canada act. The amendment attempts to establish an indigenous advisory council, which would trigger additional expenses. House of Commons Procedure and Practice, third edition, states on page 772, “Since an amendment may not infringe upon the financial initiative of the Crown, it is inadmissible if it imposes a charge on the public treasury, or if it extends the objects or purposes or relaxes the conditions and qualifications specified in the royal recommendation.”

In the opinion of the chair, the amendment proposes a new scheme that imposes an additional charge on the public treasury. Therefore, I rule the amendment inadmissible.

Colleagues, we'll jump to BQ-32.

NDP-37 and BQ-31 conflict with BQ-32 since they pertain to the same line.

We shall vote on BQ-32.

(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])

We will vote on NDP-38.

(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])

We will now vote on BQ-33.

(Amendment agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

Colleagues, if NDP-39 is adopted, BQ-34 cannot be moved due to a line conflict.

Shall NDP-39 pass?

(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])

Now we will go to BQ-34.

NDP-39 conflicts with BQ-34 since it pertains to the same lines of the bill.

We will now vote on BQ-34.

(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])

We will now vote on BQ-35.

(Amendment agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

We'll now go to BQ-36.

If BQ-36 is adopted, CPC-12 and BQ-37 cannot be moved since there is a line conflict.

We will now vote on BQ-36.

(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])

We will now vote on BQ-37.

If BQ-37 is adopted, CPC-12 cannot be moved since it pertains to the same lines.

We will now vote on BQ-37.

(Amendment agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

We are now on BQ-38.

(Amendment agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

We'll now go to CPC-13, colleagues.

(Amendment agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

The Chair Liberal Peter Schiefke

We will now vote on BQ-39.

(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])

The Chair Liberal Peter Schiefke

We'll now go to PV-13.

If PV-13 is adopted, NDP-40, BQ-41 and BQ-40 cannot be moved due to a line conflict.

(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])

The Chair Liberal Peter Schiefke

We're on NDP-40.

If NDP-40 is adopted, BQ-40 and BQ-41 cannot be moved due to a line conflict.

Dan Albas Conservative Okanagan Lake West—South Kelowna, BC

I think BQ-40 is different from NDP-40.

The Chair Liberal Peter Schiefke

It is, yes. That's very astute of you.

Colleagues, the legislative clerk has asked me to read this for the knowledge of all members.

The committee has already adopted BQ-2, which introduces a concept that occurs only in BQ-40. In the interest of consistency, it would make sense to adopt it, but that is up to the committee.

So we will now vote on BQ-40.

(Amendment agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

BQ‑41 can therefore no longer be moved.

Shall clause 4 as amended carry, colleagues? We amended a portion of it. I need an official vote.

Yes, it's adopted unanimously.

No? No, it's not adopted unanimously.

(Clause 4 as amended agreed to on division [See Minutes of Proceedings])

We'll now go to CPC-14, colleagues.

12:10 a.m.

Conservative

Philip Lawrence Conservative Northumberland—Clarke, ON

I'm going to challenge the chair.

The Chair Liberal Peter Schiefke

Of course you are.

Colleagues, I need to read the following:

Bill C-5 enacts the free trade and labour mobility in Canada act and the building Canada act. The amendment seeks to amend the Greenhouse Gas Pollution Pricing Act. As House of Commons Procedure and Practice, third edition, states on page 770, and we all know this because we've obviously read the book from start to finish:

An amendment to a bill that was referred to a committee after second reading is out of order if it is beyond the scope and principle of the bill.

In the opinion of the chair, the amendment is beyond the scope of the bill. Therefore, I rule the amendment inadmissible.