First, I want to talk about that piece around civilian and national defence in shipbuilding. I will say that there's a saying in our industry that our shipbuilding sector is a three-legged stool. It is national defence, private industry with cruise and fishing vessels, and civilian shipbuilding. Those are the three pieces of work that keep us moving and allow for skills training and growth and that make for a vibrant industry. When you have one of those legs taken away, in this case, civilian shipbuilding, it really causes a paralysis in the industry.
On the Canada Infrastructure Bank, I've made it clear that I think their decision is not in alignment with Canadian values. I think they should be required to place a lens on the decisions they make in terms of whether they create jobs, create opportunities and benefit Canadian communities.
I will say that it is incredibly frustrating as a British Columbian, who needs significant investment in our ferry fleet, to be in a position where we may be questioning whether there's federal support. I do reject this black and white in that either the loan is cancelled or it's not cancelled. We need federal support for ferry construction in British Columbia. I hope I'm articulating that well. We need these dollars to flow to the west coast.