I'll weigh in and say two things.
First, the national shipbuilding strategy has created many jobs for my members, and they're very proud of the work they're doing on those projects.
I will also say that when I use that example of the three-legged stool.... Our shipbuilding industry is more than just the North Vancouver Seaspan shipyards. It's the Victoria shipyards. It's the Esquimalt dry docks. It's Point Hope. It's Allied Shipbuilders. What we need is an ecosystem where we have that civilian shipbuilding also happening so that different components are being built. We're spreading that work around so that you have work for apprentices as well journeypersons.
Right now, we're completely off balance. We have a big push on federal national defence and then nothing. Then we have another big push and then nothing. We really need to bring the whole ecosystem back into alignment.