I would just say, going back to one of your earlier questions, sir, that you and your colleagues are absolutely right. We have had in British Columbia, where I'm from, an ombudsman for more than 35 years. It's the same thing in Ontario. This is not new in Canada. Today we have our serving members who are acquainted with the ombudsman. This is not a new concept.
There are 700,000 veterans who believe they should have an ombudsman. It's interesting that one of our strongest advocates in support of an ombudsman is Mr. Cliff Chadderton, who I'm sure you all are well acquainted with. He told us a while back that he took part in the Woods commission in the 1960s, which recommended a veterans ombudsman. So it's been a fair number of years coming.