Evidence of meeting #32 for Veterans Affairs in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was problem.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Pierre Daigle  Ombudsman, National Defence and Canadian Forces Ombudsman
Mary McFadyen  General Counsel, National Defence and Canadian Forces Ombudsman
Pascal Lacoste  As an Individual

5:35 p.m.

Liberal

Lise Zarac Liberal LaSalle—Émard, QC

Yes.

5:35 p.m.

Liberal

Judy Sgro Liberal York West, ON

So it's asking for a response, not action?

5:35 p.m.

Conservative

Greg Kerr Conservative West Nova, NS

I'd say it's looking for an appropriate response. You can't put a time on it or tell them what you need.

5:35 p.m.

Liberal

Lise Zarac Liberal LaSalle—Émard, QC

You don't want it to be six months from now.

5:35 p.m.

Conservative

Greg Kerr Conservative West Nova, NS

No, no, understood, but in fairness, Mr. Stoffer said that. The committee can always decide, look, this is not fast enough and this is not good enough. Okay? But I think the appropriate thing is that the message goes to the ministers that this is serious and we want them to look at it and consider the appropriate actions. We don't want to get into telling them what to do.

I think we're almost out of time, so we'd better decide.

5:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Gary Schellenberger

Monsieur André.

5:40 p.m.

Bloc

Guy André Bloc Berthier—Maskinongé, QC

Can we complete our three-minute period with the witness?

5:40 p.m.

Conservative

Colin Mayes Conservative Okanagan—Shuswap, BC

We have a motion before us.

5:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Gary Schellenberger

Do we want to vote on the motion that's in front of us right now?

5:40 p.m.

Conservative

Greg Kerr Conservative West Nova, NS

Or do we want to finish the hearing?

5:40 p.m.

Bloc

Guy André Bloc Berthier—Maskinongé, QC

Yes, I am in favour of that.

5:40 p.m.

Conservative

Greg Kerr Conservative West Nova, NS

Do we know what the motion is?

5:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Gary Schellenberger

The motion is that Mr. Lacoste's testimony be sent to Minister Blackburn and Minister MacKay, asking them for a response.

All those in favour?

(Motion agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

Okay. That will go.

We have about three minutes now.

Mr. McColeman.

5:40 p.m.

Conservative

Phil McColeman Conservative Brant, ON

Thank you.

I'd like to thank you as well, Mr. Lacoste. Your testimony is very personal, very emotional, and obviously you can sense from both sides of this table that we would like to see if we could develop some immediate action.

I'd be very interested to know, in terms of background, after you suffered your injuries.... Were your injuries the result of you having to discontinue your service as a soldier? In other words, when you came back were your injuries career-ending in terms of your ability to be a soldier?

5:40 p.m.

As an Individual

Pascal Lacoste

Yes, I had to leave for health reasons. If I had my way, I would still be wearing the uniform.

5:40 p.m.

Conservative

Phil McColeman Conservative Brant, ON

Okay.

I'm interested in going down the road that I think Mr. Stoffer was going down. It revolved around the things that you hoped to achieve, I suppose in the future, and you mentioned education.

Can you share with us what it is you're studying and what it is you hope for yourself in terms of your personal goals down the road?

5:40 p.m.

As an Individual

Pascal Lacoste

I spent three years as a teacher in a police technology program. I specialize in emergency care. I am studying to further my emergency care knowledge. I am unable to teach full time because of my physical condition. However, it is very important for me to be an active citizen. I believe that life is a challenge, and I am giving it all I've got.

5:40 p.m.

Conservative

Phil McColeman Conservative Brant, ON

I think one of the things I picked up from the other questioning and the answers that you gave was that it's very important--absolutely critical, in fact, in my mind--that with regard to the individuals who perpetrated this horrific psychological feeling you've had coming back and feeling the way you do, we need specific names.

I know you offered one name, but obviously, from your story, you've gone through a whole series of events that have brought you a lot of stress, creating the situation you're in today. Is it possible, or are you prepared, to give us specific names of individuals within the system?

5:40 p.m.

As an Individual

Pascal Lacoste

It is very simple. I am only one among many. I am single, without any kids, and both my mental and physical health are ruined. I was told that I do not have a very long life expectancy. I can no longer afford to please. I am here to bear witness. I am a man of integrity. Even if I were to give you names, that would not help all those who are experiencing the same problems. I simply have the courage to say what everyone else is thinking. I did not come here for Pascal Lacoste, but to advance the cause of Canadian veterans.

5:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Gary Schellenberger

Thank you.

I'm sorry, but we do have to bring this meeting to a close.

I thank you very much for your personal testimony here today and for all you've done for the country.

5:40 p.m.

Some hon. members

Hear, hear!

5:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Gary Schellenberger

The meeting is adjourned.