Evidence of meeting #20 for Veterans Affairs in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was clients.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Tricia Gueulette  National Contract Manager, CanVet Vocational Rehabilitation Services, WCG International HR Consultants
Bill Foster  Director of Program Delivery, Career Transition Services, Right Management
Carol Hurst  Operations Manager, Career Transition Services, Right Management

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Greg Kerr

Order.

We're continuing our study of the delivery of front-line health and well-being services for Canadian veterans.

I want to welcome our guests. Thank you in advance for coming. We certainly look forward to your presentations.

I think you've been advised that we look for presentations within ten minutes from each organization, and then we go around with questions and answers. Please feel free to answer as it comes to you. Also, if there's any follow-up, we often ask if the organizations don't mind if we send along written questions, if they didn't come up during the day.

We'll start with witnesses from WCG International HR Consultants, Tricia Gueulette, national contract manager, CanVet Vocational Rehabilitation Services. Then we will follow with Bill Foster, director of program delivery for Career Transition Services, and Carol Hurst, operations manager for Career Transition Services.

It's very nice to have you here. Thank you for coming.

You're going to start, Tricia?

3:35 p.m.

Tricia Gueulette National Contract Manager, CanVet Vocational Rehabilitation Services, WCG International HR Consultants

Sure.

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair and members of the committee. It's a pleasure to appear in front of you today.

My name is Tricia Gueulette. I'm the national contract manager of CanVet Vocational Rehabilitation Services. I'd like to take some time this afternoon to tell you about our services and our role with Canadian veterans.

My company, WCG International Consultants, is a team of approximately 150 career development and vocational rehabilitation professionals. We began in British Columbia in 1995 as a small consulting firm and have grown over the years to provide return-to-work and human resources services on behalf of all levels of government as well as insurance organizations, companies, and non-profit agencies. Since 1995 we have placed over 53,000 people seeking work into long-term meaningful employment.

In 2007 WCG teamed with March of Dimes Canada and Innovative Rehabilitation Consultants, IRC, forming a joint venture called CanVet VR Services, which combined 40 years of experience to bid on a request for proposal to deliver targeted vocational rehabilitation services to Canadian veterans and their spouses. In light of the fact that Canada has new veterans from Bosnia, Rwanda, and Afghanistan, these services were not being provided by the Department of Veterans Affairs. This new program is part of their broader rehabilitation program, and in 2009 we were delighted to be awarded the contract.

With respect to our joint venture, WCG is the contract lead and manager, and has overseen the development and maintenance of our comprehensive case management system, called CaseFLO, which is linked into the older Veterans Affairs client services delivery network system. CaseFLO is an integrated web-based tool that allows our customers to gain operational efficiencies, manage their finances, and generate up-to-the-second management reporting.

As well, WCG oversees the financial administration for our partners and all financial payments to our clients. We also provide direct client service in British Columbia and to clients living outside Canada who are referred to us from a Veterans Affairs case manager. Our partner, IRC, provides services across the prairies, and March of Dimes operates in Ontario, Quebec, and the Atlantic region. Our overall vision is to provide comprehensive, individualized, reasonable, and cost-effective measures to eligible clients that will assist them to prepare for suitable and gainful civilian employment.

My understanding is that a client who eventually is referred to CanVet from Veterans Affairs generally has been medically released from the Canadian Forces--National Defence. Following that release process, which could take up to three years, this client may go through SISIP--service income security insurance plan--long-term disability vocational rehabilitation, and then will eventually work with a Veterans Affairs case manager. Many years from the time of injury will have passed by the time these clients are referred to us by the Veterans Affairs case manager.

When a veteran is referred to CanVet, one of our vocational rehabilitation specialists will complete a thorough assessment of his or her medical, psychosocial, vocational, and educational history. Our role is to provide an objective third-party professional opinion on every client's vocational potential back to the VAC case manager. We consult with medical personnel, occupational therapists, psychologists, and psychiatrists as required on each file. Our goal is to help every client develop a plan that uses their transferable skills, builds new complementary skills, and will ultimately help them to find long-term sustainable civilian employment in the shortest route possible.

A client's plan could include retraining, job search preparation, job matching through a job developer, assisted job search, and post-employment support once they have become employed. We work with clients all the way through their plan, and CanVet reimburses clients on behalf of Veterans Affairs for eligible costs, such as tuition, books, and supplies.

We started to deliver our services in April of 2009, and since that time more than 1,900 clients have been referred to us. The average age of a client coming through our services is 42. The majority are male and approximately 90% have post-traumatic stress disorder, often in combination with other physical impairments.

Many of our clients have gone through retraining post-injury while waiting to release in the Canadian Forces. Some have gone through additional training while on SISIP long-term disability. Our goal is to assess their current situation and build a plan that takes into account their disability while ultimately helping them back into the Canadian labour force.

Many of the clients currently in our program started their vocational plans in 2010-11, and we have started to see the early referrals complete their plans.

In 2011, 87% of clients who completed their plans and their programs to date had become employed. These clients are employed across many industries, and were able to build on their existing skill sets, often initially developed in the military.

Over the last three years working within the CanVet program, we have learned some real positives. We have developed a solid national approach to working with veterans to help them transition to civilian employment. This includes the creation of a knowledge database within the casebook system of OSI clinics--operational stress injury clinics--and we participate in a Canada-U.S. warrior wellness committee, where the latest information on helping modern-day veterans back to civilian employment is shared.

Veterans involved in the program are becoming employed and the program is seeing good outcomes. CaseFLO, the case management system developed to manage this program, has been an excellent tool and could be easily expanded to benefit all stakeholders. We envision a tool where employers who want to hire veterans could post their job ads, the department could access all client information quickly and easily, and clients could access and self-manage the information they need and send information directly to their files.

There are also some areas we can build on. Our number one priority is veterans' health and well-being as they transition to employment. The reimbursement rules for our clients who are completing plans are challenging and unclear. As well, the rules ask for clients to prepay their expenses and then get reimbursed by CanVet, which eventually gets reimbursed by the department. For most of our clients, who are not working, asking them to prepay large tuition, tool, and textbook bills means they may not be able to go back to training and work their plan. In many cases, clients struggle to meet these payments. Because of situations like this, CanVet has taken it upon itself to sponsor most clients' tuition and pay the institutions directly, which is outside of our contract.

We have also gone outside of our contract to pay for books, accommodation, tutoring, and other things for clients before they're eligible to submit their claims. We felt this was necessary to ensure many of our clients were able to keep going with their plans and to alleviate some of the stress brought on by these rules, which could have aggravated our clients' health.

The second area I believe we can build on is attempting to bring a holistic approach to vocational rehabilitation much sooner for wounded Canadian Forces members. As I mentioned previously, often many years pass from when a Canadian Forces member is injured to when we see them in CanVet. In fact, we have not yet really started to see the injured Canadian Forces members who were in Afghanistan. We know this is coming, and we believe resources should be brought in collectively and sooner. We could all do more.

In summary, I believe there are a couple of items that the committee might want to examine. We know that the demand for these services will increase. It is extremely important to prepare now. We can do this in two ways. Number one, we can ensure the holistic coordination of vocational rehabilitation services from the time of injury, when a Canadian Forces member is still serving, to the time when they're actually working with a Veterans Affairs case manager. Number two, we can make whatever changes are necessary to ensure that the Canadian veterans participating in this program don't face financial hardship or barriers to training from having to prepay their expenses.

I congratulate the committee on the timeliness of this study. We are dealing with complex medical issues in tough economic times, and it will be critical to direct our resources to optimize programming and services for best results.

Thank you very much for inviting me here today. I look forward to answering your questions.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Greg Kerr

Thank you very much, Ms. Gueulette. That's a lot of good information there.

Now we will turn to Mr. Foster.

3:40 p.m.

Bill Foster Director of Program Delivery, Career Transition Services, Right Management

Thank you, Mr. Chairman and honourable members of the committee.

On behalf of Right Management, we are pleased to have been invited here today to discuss our role as the national contractor for Career Transition Services, under the aegis of the new Veterans Charter.

My name is Bill Foster, and I am the director of program delivery at Right Management for CTS. Joining me today is my colleague, Carol Hurst, the operations manager for CTS, who will be answering questions with me following this opening statement.

Right Management is a leader in talent and career management workforce solutions within ManpowerGroup. Our clients are large and mid-sized businesses from a wide range of industries, and include over 80% of the Fortune 500 and 70% of the Fortune Global 500. Our firm has earned its reputation as a leader in talent and career management through the sustained excellence of our execution, for our responsiveness, and for the wisdom of our counsel. The scope and scale of our capabilities and solutions are unparalleled in our industry.

Right Management has developed extensive experience in and career transition solutions for various militaries around the globe. Since 1998, for example, Right Management has served as the sole contractor for the U.K. Ministry of Defence's career transition partnership, which provides support for an estimated 18,000 service leavers annually. Manpower, our parent company, also provides recruitment services for the Australian defence force.

To supplement the committee's understanding of the program, I will provide an overview of the following aspects of CTS, which includes CTS's program objective; CTS's program elements and deliverables; who can benefit; performance measures and quality assurance; and how members and veterans find out about the program.

The overall objective of CTS is to facilitate the transition to civilian work for Canadian Forces members and veterans by providing services to assist them to develop the knowledge, skills, and plan necessary to prepare for and successfully obtain suitable employment.

CTS's program elements and deliverables are comprised of three-day career transition workshops, individual career counselling, and job finding assistance.

The purpose of the three-day workshops is to begin the career transition planning process. Workshops are delivered on or near a base or wing, and are open to all CF members and reservists, both medically releasing and non-medically releasing. The frequency of these workshops depends on demand, with a total number delivered averaging approximately 150 per year nationwide. The classroom size is capped between 10 and 12 participants to permit maximum interaction and coverage of core job search topics, such as résumé writing and interview practice.

The content for these small group experiential workshops includes coaching and preparation of draft résumés; development of interviewing skills; identification of transferable skills and conversion of military language into civilian terminology; development of a job search strategy; and identification of other Veterans Affairs and Canadian Forces services. As well, workshop participants are eligible for an additional hour of individual résumé feedback and professional formatting assistance after completion of the workshop.

The objective in the individual career counselling and job-finding assistance phase of the program is to develop a customized career transition plan that assists clients in finding suitable employment. The role of the CTS career counsellor at this stage is to help clarify and explore potential career options with the client, based on his or her technical and transferable skills, work experience, interests, abilities, and strengths, and assist in pinpointing educational or training options, where appropriate.

Additional outcomes of career counselling include résumé development, covering letter preparation, interview practice, market research skills development, and networking coaching.

When ready for their job search, CTS clients receive job-finding assistance tools and guidance to market themselves to potential employers and prepare for potential interviews. This includes, among other things, 24/7 online access to an exclusive CTS national job bank, comprising over 200 hiring organizations and search firms across 35 different industries; quarterly communiqués providing labour market and job search trends across Canada; access to an online database of 17 million companies worldwide for market research; opportunities to attend meet-the-employer events and career fairs; job offer evaluation; and social media training, e.g., LinkedIn profile development.

Who can benefit from CTS? Here is a list: CF members in the career planning process, allowing them sufficient time to obtain identified qualifications, education, and certifications required to support their civilian choice prior to release; CF veterans with two years of release seeking employment or a career change; reservists; survivors; Canadian Forces income-support recipients; and CF members anticipating being medically released.

The benefits to members or veterans of participating in CTS include the following. Availability: CTS is available prior to and after release from the military in both official languages. National coverage: CTS workshops are conveniently held near bases or wings across the country. Portability: clients can continue to benefit from their individual counselling program regardless of where they reside. Consistency: clients receive the same core service and deliverables across Canada. Coaching excellence: CTS clients receive guidance, support, advice, listening, and hope provided by a team of highly experienced civilian counsellors. Skills for life: CTS clients learn career management skills to adapt to the changing world of work. Confidence building: clients develop confidence, resilience, and self-reliance. Quality assurance: Veterans Affairs and Right Management are committed to service excellence.

Turning to performance measures and quality assurance, the success of the contract will be judged on the basis of achievement of certain critical performance indicators. The purpose of these performance measures is to demonstrate clearly the performance of Right Management in key areas crucial to a successful outcome for Veterans Affairs clients, to provide evidence of trends that underlie performance, and to provide information for future planning.

The key measures against which Right Management reports are timeliness of access to services; effectiveness of outreach efforts; effectiveness of the workshops; percentage of those who achieve suitable civilian employment within six months of commencing job searching; client satisfaction rates as determined from clients' satisfaction with key elements of the service provided and with the service overall.

Right Management also provides detailed management reports so that the level of utilization, quality, and cost-effectiveness can be assessed in detail across all elements of the service provided.

How do CF members and veterans find out about CTS? Right Management has a close working relationship with Veterans Affairs and the Canadian Forces to market and promote CTS through a number of communication channels, including but not limited to the following: Veterans Affairs Canada offices and employees; the Veterans Affairs website; marketing publications, including brochures and posters; Veterans Affairs newsletters and press releases; Canadian Forces base resources, such as base splash pages; the Canadian Defence Academy; Second Career Assistance Network seminars on CF bases across Canada; Canadian Forces release clerks; base commanders, senior administrative officers, and supervisors; personnel selection officers, PSOs, in both the regular force and the reserves; joint personnel support units and/or integrated personnel support centres; Military Family Resource Centres; Learning Career Centres, LCCs; the Royal Canadian Legion and other military associations like ANAVETS; Right Management offices; CTS workshops and CTS counsellors; hiring organizations; and perhaps most importantly, word of mouth.

In closing, we are proud to deliver career transition services on behalf of Veterans Affairs Canada. Right Management will continue to apply its service excellence to the delivery of the program to meet the needs of CF members and veterans, helping them make a smooth transition to the civilian work world. More importantly, we are honoured to continue to provide support to individuals who have served their country with such dignity and dedication.

Thank you again for the opportunity to speak to the committee. Carol and I look forward to your questions.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Greg Kerr

Thank you very much, Mr. Foster, and to all the witnesses today.

We go to the official opposition for five minutes. Mr. Stoffer.

3:50 p.m.

NDP

Peter Stoffer NDP Sackville—Eastern Shore, NS

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Ladies and gentleman, thank you very much for appearing today. It is greatly appreciated.

I have just a couple of questions.

Madam, you talked about the fact that most of the veterans you see have been medically released. Do you deal as well with veterans who have been honourably discharged? Because one of the things we're finding is that for someone who serves, say, 30 to 35 years in the military and then leaves, many times it's difficult to adjust to civilian life. They are a bit lost because that's a whole culture that they've left and now they're into something else. Do you deal with any of those folks as well?

Do you do any referrals from the RCMP?

Also, do you have any family members? Because one of the things we have found is that one of these transition programs is to ensure that the families and the family members are step by step with these individuals as they go through the transition phase. I know you that you do have spouses, I believe, of those who have passed on, but do you have family members there as well?

I have another couple of questions.

For this next one, could you could send it back to us? Because it will be too long an answer and I'll be out of time. Can you take a couple of examples...? Take Sergeant Joe or Lieutenant Anne. You walk them through a process. From when you first see them to when they successfully career...can you give us some examples of how that works?

By the way, thank you very much for, outside your contract, helping the veterans pay for these tuition fees and books. I think that's very noble of you. Thank you for those recommendations as well. But how, in turn, do you get paid for your services? Is it on a monthly basis? Is it on a weekly basis?

The last question for you: when does the contract come up? Is it up for renewal every three years, every five years, or whenever?

Again, I'm sorry for all the questions. Thank you very much for coming. I really appreciate it.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Greg Kerr

I want to apologize in advance. These are five-minute sessions, so if we miss it, they do have the chance to re-ask some of the questions later.

3:55 p.m.

NDP

Peter Stoffer NDP Sackville—Eastern Shore, NS

Yes.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Greg Kerr

Please go ahead.

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National Contract Manager, CanVet Vocational Rehabilitation Services, WCG International HR Consultants

Tricia Gueulette

Were these for me? I'm assuming so.

3:55 p.m.

Director of Program Delivery, Career Transition Services, Right Management

Bill Foster

For both of us.

3:55 p.m.

National Contract Manager, CanVet Vocational Rehabilitation Services, WCG International HR Consultants

Tricia Gueulette

Do you want me to go first?

3:55 p.m.

Director of Program Delivery, Career Transition Services, Right Management

Bill Foster

Go ahead.

3:55 p.m.

National Contract Manager, CanVet Vocational Rehabilitation Services, WCG International HR Consultants

Tricia Gueulette

Okay.

The answer to your question about serving folks who are honourably discharged is yes, we do. Anybody who is referred to us by a VAC case manager--that is the criterion. They must be referred to us by a VAC case manager.

At this point, we have not been referred any RCMP members.

We also work with spouses of anyone who has been totally and permanently incapacitated. They may not have passed away, but they can no longer work. We do work with those spouses.

In terms of an example of a process, a client is referred to us from the Veterans Affairs case manager. We go through an assessment process and look at their medical, functional, and psychosocial needs and their transferrable skills—everything that would take into account what they need to go back into the workforce. Once we go through that process and we've done that thorough assessment, we make a recommendation to the VAC case manager about what their vocational potential is and what steps would be needed to help that person become employed.

We build a five-point plan with that client, which in many cases will include retraining or augmenting the skills they have, preparing them to go into the job search phase, and supporting them through an active job search. We might do job placement with them through a job developer. Then, once they have become employed, we'll work with them post-employment to make sure they have the supports they need. Oftentimes, because we are working with people with physical ailments, we need to go into the workforce and help with ergonomics and that kind of thing, so we'll work through that process as well.

In terms of our contract and how we get paid, this is a fee for service. We won this through a competitive bid process. If we don't provide the service, then we are not paid. This contract was a three-year contract. It ends on April 15, 2012, with the option of two additional one-year renewals. We have received our first additional year to that contract.

3:55 p.m.

Director of Program Delivery, Career Transition Services, Right Management

Bill Foster

In terms of our program, I would have to check on those who have been honourably discharged. In the regulations, it's fairly detailed in terms of eligibility.

In terms of family members and spouses, if the member died while in service and was eligible for the program at that time, the benefits would be transferred to the spouse. In terms of family members, I would have to check on that too. As far as I understand it, the benefit would transfer to the spouse, not necessarily to the family member.

For the example of Sergeant Joe, yes, I could spend quite a bit of time on that.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Greg Kerr

If I could, Mr. Foster, I'm going to ask you to—

3:55 p.m.

Director of Program Delivery, Career Transition Services, Right Management

Bill Foster

Yes, I think we could easily provide something in writing to that.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Greg Kerr

Thank you for that.

3:55 p.m.

Director of Program Delivery, Career Transition Services, Right Management

Bill Foster

Carol will address how we get—

3:55 p.m.

Carol Hurst Operations Manager, Career Transition Services, Right Management

If I could quickly speak about the terms of our contract, it's a two-year contract that started on August 1, 2010, and runs up to and including September 30, 2012, with an option to be extended for one additional 12-month period.

At the end of the contract, there will be a six-month wind-down period. “Wind-down” is defined as a six-month period when the contract is set to expire if it is not renewed or re-awarded. Basically, what will happen is that if the contract is going to be renewed for another year, they will give us at least 30 days' written notice. The contract authority is Public Works and Government Services Canada.

As far the fee structure goes, it's fee for service.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Greg Kerr

Thank you, Ms. Hurst.

We'll now go to Mr. Lobb for five minutes.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Ben Lobb Conservative Huron—Bruce, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I wonder if you could tell us where some of your offices are. You said they were across the country, I think, and close to bases. Could you just let us know where some of those offices are?

4 p.m.

Director of Program Delivery, Career Transition Services, Right Management

Bill Foster

We have offices all across the country, many of them near bases. In some places, we have to service a base without an office nearby.

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Conservative

Ben Lobb Conservative Huron—Bruce, ON

Would you have an office in Cold Lake?

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Director of Program Delivery, Career Transition Services, Right Management

Bill Foster

No, we don't.