We were just going to say that how we're measuring the effectiveness of the new Veterans Charter is to see what actually goes to the individual people. This is sometimes where we're at a disconnect. The courts are going to look at what goes to individual people, what benefit they have as individuals, and not the global money that is being spent.
In that case, we keep on talking about what individual soldiers and their families receive. Very often the push-back that we get is, ”Well, we're spending a hell of a lot of money here in Ottawa; so these people should really not be coming here with their hand out so much because there's a lot of money going into the program”.
The remedy Mr. Sorochan advises clients to resolve this issue will be, when those clients are at equality with what other Canadian workers and other soldiers are making....
As we continue to say, it's irrelevant what is being spent, unless we see it come to the actual soldiers, because the only way we can recommend to disband the legal proceeding is just when the individual clients have what's equal to other—