It doesn't create an issue. Under the superannuation act—and I know because I used to be the DG of superannuation at one point in my career—there is a limit that you can accumulate in your pension, but not all veterans have 35 years of service. They can either opt to be in or out of the pension. We work each case individually with the veteran.
We try to hire the veterans as indeterminate staff. The majority that we are bringing in are indeterminate. There are some temporary positions, but I don't think we have many veterans in those temporary positions. We may have some, but not a lot.
The bigger challenge we have is for the veteran to understand the public service. You have an interview when you join the armed forces. As General Natynczyk is fond of saying, he's had two interviews, one when he joined and one when he became the chief of defence staff. The rest of your career is managed by the armed forces. In the public service the culture is very different. We have more issues in making sure they understand how to navigate the system of the public service, as opposed to the benefits side. I think Mr. Butler talked about it.
They're entitled to their benefits. I've been talking to a lot of the federal counsels. Just because somebody has PTSD does not mean they cannot work for the federal government. When you read the paper you get a certain segment, but a lot of veterans are very functional. There's no issue. They want to work. They can work. They are able and capable. I've been talking a lot to our federal colleagues to make sure there is no stigma attached to any of this.