Thanks, everyone, for being here. It's tough for us to listen to, but it's important that we do.
I'll ask Ms. Elms and Ms. Desmond something first of all.
I don't think you're here to hear politicians argue with each other about who has done better. I think you are here to hope that this committee will bring forward recommendations that will correct the problems you have experienced. Is that fair to say? Aren't you really tired of hearing politicians argue about things?