We also heard from some witnesses at other studies when they referred to veterans that some veterans had a combination of things. There was mental illness, but also they're very angry with the system—the military, the government, VAC, all of these things—and some of them, if found, are actually refusing help.
That sounds like a tremendous challenge. Is there an approach to these vets, the ones who have been found but who we're having trouble to convince to take the help that [Technical difficulty—Editor]
I'll leave it up to both of you if you have an insight into this.