Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.
I'd like to bring Ms. MacKenzie and Ms. Forbes into the discussion here.
Ms. MacKenzie, in your opening remarks, there were a couple of things that you said that I'd like to probe a little further. First, you mentioned about a dog not being a program dog and the importance of the differentiation between owner training and self-training.
The other thing you said, and your colleague Ms. Forbes also focused on this as well, was about standards for training versus standards for outcomes. I'd like to hear you elaborate a bit more on those two points, if you would, please.
Then I'm going to go to you, Ms. Forbes.