Evidence of meeting #106 for Veterans Affairs in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was policy.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Harold Davis  President, Persian Gulf Veterans of Canada
Mike McGlennon  Vice-President, Persian Gulf Veterans of Canada
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Malachie Azémar
Jean-Rodrigue Paré  Committee Researcher

Wilson Miao Liberal Richmond Centre, BC

It's an either/or.

11:20 a.m.

Vice-President, Persian Gulf Veterans of Canada

Mike McGlennon

That choice would occur only if we were designated as wartime service veterans now.

Wilson Miao Liberal Richmond Centre, BC

Okay.

Harold, would you like to add more to that?

11:20 a.m.

President, Persian Gulf Veterans of Canada

Harold Davis

It's a choice that we don't have but that we thought we had when we were serving in the gulf, because it was under the Pension Act. We were told by the commanders and others when we were over there: “Guys, this is a war. Now, by the time you get home, you'll be war veterans, if you get home.”

That kind of talk put it into the situation that we came back from there thinking, “Yes, we're covered. We're also war veterans.” We've come to realize that we're not covered like that and that we're not war veterans. When we put in our claims prior to 2006.... I have, like Mike, a Pension Act claim in, but anything else is under the Veterans Well-being Act.

I never had a choice. No matter if the injuries I'm claiming for now are a direct result of my service in the Persian Gulf, I don't have a choice of whether they're paid under the Pension Act or the Veterans Well-being Act. I'm going to get paid under the Veterans Well-being Act.

Wilson Miao Liberal Richmond Centre, BC

I would assume that this information was not known prior to being deployed, but only after.

11:25 a.m.

President, Persian Gulf Veterans of Canada

Harold Davis

We didn't know.

Another thing is that we were told that we should “up our life insurance before we go”. I went in and I took out $300,000 extra because I didn't know if I was coming back.

Wilson Miao Liberal Richmond Centre, BC

Let's talk about commemoration.

I understand that veterans who were deployed to the Persian Gulf War currently are not commemorated at a level that some other special duty service veterans are. Can you talk a bit more about how you feel that this is appropriate to commemorate?

11:25 a.m.

President, Persian Gulf Veterans of Canada

Harold Davis

Let me ask the people sitting here: When was the last time you were at an event for the military and the person speaking was talking about wars and veterans and you heard “Persian Gulf”? Does that tell you anything about commemoration for Persian Gulf service?

We're just a footnote now, and that's not right, you know. We served. We went where our country asked us to go. We didn't know if we were coming home, and now we're just asking for fairness.

Wilson Miao Liberal Richmond Centre, BC

Thank you very much.

The Chair Liberal Emmanuel Dubourg

Thank you, Mr. Miao.

Mr. Desilets, you may go ahead for the next six minutes.

Luc Desilets Bloc Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

To my fellow members, good morning, and to the witnesses, thank you for being here. It's nice to see you again.

Mr. McGlennon, it seems to me that, at one point, you were in contact with former prime minister Brian Mulroney, and the Gulf War was discussed.

Am I mistaken?

11:25 a.m.

President, Persian Gulf Veterans of Canada

Harold Davis

I didn't hear the question.

11:25 a.m.

Vice-President, Persian Gulf Veterans of Canada

Mike McGlennon

He was asking if we had contact with Prime Minister Brian Mulroney.

11:25 a.m.

President, Persian Gulf Veterans of Canada

Harold Davis

Yes, we did, and in fact, I have a copy of his letter here. I reached out to the former prime minister, and when I did reach him—because he was not an easy guy to reach at the time—he was very—

Luc Desilets Bloc Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

Mr. Chair, there is a small issue with the interpretation.

The Chair Liberal Emmanuel Dubourg

Just a moment.

Luc Desilets Bloc Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

There's an issue with the French interpretation.

The Chair Liberal Emmanuel Dubourg

You're not hearing the French interpretation after the English remarks?

Luc Desilets Bloc Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

That's right.

The Chair Liberal Emmanuel Dubourg

Is it working now?

A voice

It's fine now.

The Chair Liberal Emmanuel Dubourg

Okay, perfect.

Luc Desilets Bloc Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

Can we resume?

The Chair Liberal Emmanuel Dubourg

I'm sorry, Mr. Davis. You can start at the top.

Luc Desilets Bloc Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

You know the question, so please go ahead.