Evidence of meeting #65 for Veterans Affairs in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was survey.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Steven Harris  Assistant Deputy Minister, Service Delivery Branch, Department of Veterans Affairs
Paul Ledwell  Deputy Minister, Department of Veterans Affairs

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

Ginette Petitpas Taylor Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB

Thank you, Mr. Miao.

Again, what I want to say is that we can always find efficiencies within our department, and that's exactly what I am committed to doing. We want to make sure that our veterans receive the help and support that they need in a timely fashion.

We saw cuts made to this department, you know, eight or nine years ago, and we've re-established all of those resources with respect to the staffing levels to make sure that we can review and accommodate the applications in a timely fashion.

If you look at the benefits that we've put in place, you will see that, since 2015, over $11 billion in additional funding that goes directly to veterans has been invested because we care for veterans and want to make sure that they get the help that they need when they need it.

Can we do better? Absolutely, and we have to make sure that we do that.

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

Wilson Miao Liberal Richmond Centre, BC

Thank you, Minister.

As you also know, the housing crisis is also affecting all Canadians, especially our veterans, and supply and prices continue to be an issue across the country. As a result, we're seeing veteran homelessness persisting as an issue in many parts of our country. I know that the government has announced funding to help address some of these challenges. Are you able to provide us with some of the updates on this program in how we support our veterans here?

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

Ginette Petitpas Taylor Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB

Sure. Thank you so much for that really important question.

I think when we look at homelessness, it's an issue that impacts us from coast to coast to coast.

In the last budget, we announced almost $80 million—I think it was $79.6 million—to help alleviate the homelessness situation here within this country.

I'm working closely with my friend and colleague Minister Fraser with respect to outlining what that program is going to look like. We've put out a call for proposals and have received many applications thus far from different groups across the country. I'm looking forward to being able to make some of those announcements in the very near future.

With respect to that funding, however, there are two elements that are really important.

We want to make sure that veterans are going to have access to rent subsidies, in order to help them alleviate the high cost of rents in the country.

The other part of the funding, as well, is for wraparound services. We want to make sure that, for veterans who are struggling with mental health issues, substance use and addictions, or whatever the case may be, wraparound services will be available to them if they need them.

We want to set people up for success and not failure. Being a past social worker, I've heard many a time that if they don't have those wraparound services, it can be a bit of an issue.

Moving forward with this funding that we've announced, which we're going to be rolling out in the very near future.... Again, it will provide individuals with the type of help and support they need.

When it comes to housing, as well, I think we have to keep in mind that we have to work with all levels of government—municipalities, provinces and the federal government.

When I became the veterans affairs minister, I had an opportunity in the first week to be in Ottawa and to visit Veterans' House. I don't know if any of the committee members have had the opportunity to do that.

It's a not-for-profit organization that has built an apartment complex, and it is housing veterans. The first floor is more of a general area where many people can meet. They have access to wraparound services as well. So far, that program has worked very well. Using that model, the not-for-profit agency is hoping to open others of these apartment buildings across the country in two or three more cities they have been able to identify. Again, that's a type of an example of partnerships with provincial government, federal government and also municipalities.

Another quick example that I can give is the Surrey Legion. My friend and colleague Randeep Sarai is not here today, but in his area, the Surrey Legion had a wonderful piece of land. It was prime real estate.

Their legion perhaps wasn't as active as it usually is, so they took that piece of land, and a private developer came in, and they were able to establish a partnership. They were able to build a skyrise, if you will—not a skyrise but a multi-level apartment complex. The legion is still housed there, but it's a brand new facility. Up top, there are housing units for our veterans. Also downstairs is a medical clinic.

Again, it's not a one-size-fits-all. I think you can't have a cookie-cutter approach, but there are many options available for different folks across the country.

4:25 p.m.

Liberal

Wilson Miao Liberal Richmond Centre, BC

Thank you, Minister.

I look forward to having more information about those programs.

As we all know, our government has developed a lot of good programs for our veterans. Some in my riding have raised the concern that not all veterans are using digital platforms, and so they might not be aware of these programs—

4:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Emmanuel Dubourg

Sorry, Mr. Miao. I said you had one minute left, but now the time is up. You will come back in another round.

Sorry, Minister.

Mr. Desilets, you have the floor. You only have two and a half minutes this time.

4:25 p.m.

Bloc

Luc Desilets Bloc Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Madam Minister, do you think that setting up a jury was a mistake, or that you made a mistake in choosing this jury?

4:25 p.m.

Liberal

Ginette Petitpas Taylor Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB

Mr. Desilets, I don't think it was a mistake to set up a jury, any more than it was a mistake to carry out a consultation. In the end, two different results emerged from these processes.

4:25 p.m.

Bloc

Luc Desilets Bloc Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

Madam Minister, do you think the government has more expertise than a jury of experts when it comes to choosing a work of art?

4:25 p.m.

Liberal

Ginette Petitpas Taylor Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB

When it comes to a monument to commemorate a mission in the context of war or conflict, I think we absolutely have to listen to our veterans.

4:25 p.m.

Bloc

Luc Desilets Bloc Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

In that case, why didn't you conduct a scientific survey of veterans only?

4:25 p.m.

Liberal

Ginette Petitpas Taylor Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB

Once again, we opted for a Canada-wide consultation open to all so that everyone could give us their point of view. Over 10,000 Canadians responded to the survey.

Again, Mr. Desilets, I think it's very important to make sure we hear from our veterans.

4:25 p.m.

Bloc

Luc Desilets Bloc Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

Thank you, Madam Minister.

Furthermore, 40.6% of people who responded to the survey worked in Afghanistan or are veterans of that mission. That doesn't constitute a majority.

Mr. Chair, I would like to present a notice of motion.

4:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Emmanuel Dubourg

Okay. You can use your time to do that, yes.

4:25 p.m.

Bloc

Luc Desilets Bloc Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

I think you've received it, Mr. Clerk.

Shall I read it now, Mr. Chair?

4:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Emmanuel Dubourg

Yes, go ahead.

4:25 p.m.

Bloc

Luc Desilets Bloc Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

I imagine my Conservative colleagues also have a copy of the following notice of motion:

That, after hearing from the Minister of Veterans Affairs, Ginette Petitpas Taylor, and the Minister of Canadian Heritage, Pascale St‑Onge, regarding the controversy surrounding the competition and awarding of the contract for the design of the National Monument to Canada's Mission in Afghanistan, the Committee invite representatives from Daoust and from Leger to appear at a subsequent meeting for one hour each.

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Emmanuel Dubourg

Thank you.

We've just received the notice of motion, and it will be distributed. So I take it, Mr. Desilets, that this is just a notice of motion.

4:30 p.m.

Bloc

Luc Desilets Bloc Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

That's right, unless people decide that we should discuss it right away.

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Emmanuel Dubourg

According to the Standing Orders, this is a notice of motion. We will discuss this motion at the next opportunity.

4:30 p.m.

Bloc

Luc Desilets Bloc Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

Yes, I'm aware of that.

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Emmanuel Dubourg

Please note that you still have one minute left.

4:30 p.m.

Bloc

Luc Desilets Bloc Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

Madam Minister, can you imagine that, by making this choice based on a totally unscientific survey, you are alienating communities, including those in the arts and culture world? I'd even go so far as to say that you are alienating veterans who, like you and me, can see the irrelevance of the survey you've based your decision on.

Do you realize that this work of art will still be there in 200 years? No government in the world makes a decision like this based on nothing. This survey is nothing.

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

Ginette Petitpas Taylor Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB

I don't agree with that Mr. Desilets.

4:30 p.m.

Bloc

Luc Desilets Bloc Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

I can imagine.

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

Ginette Petitpas Taylor Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB

I think it's disrespectful to say that the opinions of veterans are worthless.