Mr. Speaker, I do not like the tone the member adopts in even suggesting that I was wiping out benefits to people in need in this country. That is not at all what I said. That is a total misrepresentation of what I am saying here.
Very quickly, all I am asking for are some substantive ideas. This country has waited. We saw a social program action plan that was supposed to be presented in April and now we are still in the discussion stage.
I feel very strongly that what has happened here is that the government spent all its time when it was were on this side of the House discussing and criticizing but not coming up with a substantive plan. Right now it finds itself in a quagmire and does not know what to do. It is too busy looking at itself, as the member says.
Let us give the Canadian people some credit. They have watched this progress over months and months now and all that is coming out are bills that skirt around the edges of the real problem.
I would like to know substantively once again if this member can give us a substantive and direct figure and an idea that will help us save money in social programs today.