Madam Speaker, I thank both members who contributed to the debate.
I mention one point by way of a comment to which the minister's presentation alluded. We are talking about bureaucratisation. I remind the House that in the last 10 years the Canadian forces have been subjected to a number of very dramatic changes that have been fundamental to their organization. I believe the hon. member for Saanich-Gulf Islands will agree because he and I both went through it.
First there was the Charter of Human Rights and Freedoms. There was the Privacy Act and there was the Canadian Human Rights Act. They are all great acts, but they are legislation which required a fundamental change in the way the Canadian forces did things. That caused a tremendous amount of bureaucratisation and reporting by military and civilian people up the chain of command about how changes were to be made to the Canadian forces and how they responded to these items. I underscore the sometimes traumatic experience this caused people whose main job was to be prepared to fight for Canada.
I say this by way of comment. Perhaps I will include more of it in a general sense in my presentation later this morning.